Three years work, nothing to show for it - lame =(

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The Halk said:
You're maybe misunderstanding me on "popular". Lots of people play games, it's a multi-billion £ industry worldwide.
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I'm talking popular within the press as well. It isn't demonised by sensible people.

People said the same about film and music even writing, doesn't mean you have to pander to it.



The Halk said:
However pandering to gutter press is far more important than economic growth, especially when the games industry will have a minor effect on the UK.
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Pandering to the press is more important than economic growth? :D

I can't help feel like this discussion is going to be more than pointless..

The games industry does not have a minor effect on Edinburgh and Dundee, this is the point I was making.

Rubbish the industry all you want, it doesn't negate the fact a promise was broken and it shouldn't matter what the industry is or where it is situated - Westminster should encourage growth.

It refuses to do so to benefit the UK at large.



The Halk said:
Yes it's right to give them tax cuts, but the papers would make an absolute meal of the government if they did. So they won't.
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I don't believe that for a second.

There have been calls for industry tax breaks for years, even with the gutter press.


The Halk said:
Computer games still get a bad press. That's just a fact.
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Occasionally. Again, however, music still gets a bad press as do books and films etc.

So what?

You over estimated this somewhat significantly I feel.

Only feeble politics will bow to the pressure from low intellect press.
 
You have a great deal more faith in our political system than I do. The government, just like the last government is at least somewhat populist.

They do what is right and they do what is popular. When it comes to the minor things they do what is popular, and ignore what is right or wrong.

As far as GDP goes and especially as far as public perception goes, the games industry doesn't matter much.

Personally I'd like to take the arts grants that opera and the theatre get and channel them to the games industry instead. But it won't happen.

If you think that the government will get headlines like "Government supports computer games industry in difficult times!" then you're kidding yourself on.

Instead you'll get editorials saying the government should be helping hard working families not giving out tax breaks. You'll get them attacking computer games because kids should be outdoors not indoors. They'll ignore the demographics and just play to the crowd.
 
The Halk said:
You have a great deal more faith in our political system than I do. The government, just like the last government is at least somewhat populist.
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I thought the conservatives were known to do what is unpopular for the good of the country?

When did they happen lose their hereditary backbones?

The Halk said:
They do what is right and they do what is popular. When it comes to the minor things they do what is popular, and ignore what is right or wrong.
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No they don't.

I can list a thousand things that are in direct contrast to this.

Economic recovery is not a minor thing and could never ever be claimed to such - other than by a Scot's Tory?

Many of the components that make the our economy are small when looked at in isolation, the importance of encouraging growth in every sector is however universally accepted.

The Halk said:
As far as GDP goes and especially as far as public perception goes, the games industry doesn't matter much.
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It doesn't matter, it has a disproportionate effect here and also see my point above about.

The Halk said:
Personally I'd like to take the arts grants that opera and the theatre get and channel them to the games industry instead. But it won't happen.
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I'd just like the government to do what it actually promises for once..

The Halk said:
If you think that the government will get headlines like "Government supports computer games industry in difficult times!" then you're kidding yourself on.
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Strawman. However, again please answer - why promise it if in your opinion they already knew they could not impliment it.... if you're assertions were correct surely the occasional bit of bad press on games has been around for years.

Why the sudden realisation after the election?

The Halk said:
Instead you'll get editorials saying the government should be helping hard working families not giving out tax breaks. You'll get them attacking computer games because kids should be outdoors not indoors. They'll ignore the demographics and just play to the crowd.
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If this thinking is applied to everything they do there will be no economic stimulation or any difference in government from Labour.

It isn't the case.
 
If we continue this argument Biohazard we'll get nowhere.

Can you at least accept that the current government (although far better than the last) still makes noises and moves that are aimed at pleasing the crowd, rather than the right thing to do? I do not accept that everything they do is for the good of the country and nothing else. Some things are just PR/ideological.

And if you do accept that, then we'll just have to disagree over this being one of them or not.
 
Nah. Most of it is difference of opinion, rather than factual. The games industry is very important in certain areas, but it's not a huge part of the UK economy like banking for example. You're right that there's lots of small parts to the economy.

We're not in disagreement that we both want the tax breaks to be there. I just think the government stepped back from it because it's something they feel they would lose votes over. That's all.
 
The Halk said:
Nah. Most of it is difference of opinion, rather than factual.
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Hmm not too sure on that one :p

The Halk said:
The games industry is very important in certain areas, but it's not a huge part of the UK economy like banking for example. You're right that there's lots of small parts to the economy.

We're not in disagreement that we both want the tax breaks to be there. I just think the government stepped back from it because it's something they feel they would lose votes over. That's all.
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If it's the small industry / issue you say it is - I'm sure it wouldn't relate to votes at all.

Tution fees blows this argument out the water totally - one example.
 
Bloodshot said:
I'm not here to blab what game it was that I was working on; I'm just here to rant about having three years of work wasted and it being very unlikely it seeing the light of day.
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You got paid, that's all that matters!

matt_fsr said:
We do?

I thought that was just a rumour...
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Nope, people who got Borderlands on steam when you clicked some option you saw Duke Nukem Forever Beta ;)
 
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