TN/IPS - Monitor advice needed

I frown upon thee mattyfez :mad:. Haha no not really - I don't see IPS as a perfect technology by any means. If it was then I wouldn't be so excited about OLED monitors. If you do like playing at that level and you want to ease your mind about responsiveness you could have a think about the Asus VG236HE. Now I haven't tested the monitor myself but a collegue of mine has (whose opinion I value) and it seems you will have no problems at all with the responsiveness. Obviously it is still a TN panel but the colours are supposed to be nice and vibrant and not washed out -this is helped by the high brightness and glossy panel (provided you don't use it in direct sunlight). It could be worth a thought and I'd love to know what you think of it so please buy one. ;)
 
It is only 3D if you are using stereoscopic glasses such as the Nvidia 3D Vision solution (not a stupid question - it's the way they market it). The thing that distinguishes it from 'non 3D' monitors is the 120Hz refresh rate - this is double that of normal monitors which are 60Hz. This is required to give a smooth framerate if you are viewing stereoscopic 3D content (it requires 60fps per eye to appear smooth) and it also makes motion in 2D (what you will be using on games etc.) appear smoother. This seemed to be what you were after.
 
Thanks I think i'll probably go with this then.

I've seen 3D TVs that looks horrible when not wearing alsses and all blurred etc so wasn't sure.
 
Yeah I do not think that anyone is really saying it is IPS or bust. As PCM2 pointed out, there are problems with IPS technology as well. And as I posted earlier, if what you want is pure performance for twitch then TN panels might be your best bet, not necessarily because they will all perform much better than IPS will, but because the investment is just not worth it on that level.
 
I've got with the Asus recommended above as it appears to be the best for gaming. I'm sure I won't be disappointed. That along with my new prebuilt system should be great!

A little bit gutted i've not got a new gfx card on the way but I think using my 8800GTX and waiting for the new ATI generation is the right thing to do
 
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Wardie for me personally i dont want anything with higher than 5ms response time because i fear ghosting and blurring during my games people will argue that 8ms as fine and mostly it is but we all have out little obsessions. That said anything under 5ms is perfectly ok i challenge anyone to notice a difference between that and 2ms, as for gaming someone said there perfectly happy with an Ilyama Prolight and id agree with them. People who spend loads more to get it picture that little bit better are the obsessives about image quality, theres nothing wrong with a full HD monitor with a 2ms response time.

With all due respect this sounds exactly like someone who is ignorant of what's going on, I don't mean that in a bad way, but if you've never experienced the difference then this is sort of statement I'd expect
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The friend i was refering to has a 60" HD TV on his wall connected to a £1500 amp and a state of the art HD 7.1 surround sound speaker system, completed by 2 lazyboy chairs perfectly positioned in the center for ideal viewing. Believe me i have seen the very best you can get and im just as happy watching a movie on a normal TV in stereo, the argument i use on him is that a good movie will always be a good movie no matter what you watch it on. An example would be that we both love the terminator films (Original 2, THERE ARE NO MORE!) we loved them back when he had a normal telly and stereo speakers but it amuses me that its crappy now if its not in HD and 7.1.

This is my opinion however, i don't disagree with him exactly as i don't disagree with people here. Im not blind to why its better on his uber setup and if i had money to burn i would probably get something similar but i just dont see it as nearly as important as the folks with the audio/visual buzz do. Its the argument that something looks "Crappy" on a non IPS monitor that gets my back up a little cause it quite obviously does not but as with anything there is always something a little better for a lot more money.
 
You wont be disappointed ;),im more than happy with the asus and on the issue of the colour a little increase in the saturation setting (i think its called digital vibrance on the geforce? ) gets rid of the washed out feeling (though i concede the colours aren`t in the class of an ips/va screen they are around 90% there :) )

The extra smoothness (providing your rig is up to displaying high frame rates of course) more than compensates for me in gaming.Theres simply no going back to 60 fps/hz afterwards.Though like pcm2 says im really excited by the OLED panels that look like appearing sometime near the end of next year ish(ill probably keep the asus for another 2 years and then see the state of any OLED market that may or may not be there).That is Definitely the next tech to keep your eye on.

Also going back to the smoothness issue of 120 fps/hz the feeling of control lag that you sometimes feel with 60hz monitors is all but gone,it just feels so much like its responding instantly to your every move it really does take me back to the good old days of CRT monitors with high refresh rates.

Oh im not sure if asus are selling the monitor on its own yet so if you end up with the glasses just ebay them,i got £75 for mine so in the end the monitor cost me around £300 roughly £10 more than what the acer was going for at the time.Dont forget the glasses only work with geforce cards.

Yours

Dash

p.s DONT get the ACER monitor...i know its cheaper but trust me..just dont ;)
 
ahh so they`ve started selling it without the glasses now,i knew they were going to but wasnt sure if they had got round to it yet :).Also just to add there is going to be a 27" version of the VG236H which if asus are to be believed is imminant.I sent an email to asus uk around the time i bought the 23" and they said around oct/november of this year.No price but im guessing not cheap :).I wouldnt be surprised to see it somewhere between £500-£600 :(

Yours

Dash
 
Thanks for the replies, I'm pretty confident i've done the right thing getting the Asus.

Thanksfully they now sell without the glasses as already pointed out. I think marketing it just as a 3D monitor doesn't bode too well and I was uncertain at first it was the right thing to be buying.

Should all arrive tomorrow hopefully, but I don't have a PC desk until at least Thursday when it gets delivered.
 
I went from a 5ms HP TN to the 8ms Dell u2311h. There's little difference in responsiveness, the dell is probably a touch faster, if I had to pick a winner. The millisecs figure quoted by manufacturers means zip imo.

The image quality of IPS is worth an extra £100 imo. It didn't blow me into the future or anything, but I do still raise my eyebrows everytime I lanch a game or a movie. I can see just that much more detail, especially around the top of the screen, were TNs really suffer from way too much contrast shift. It's not the second coming, but it's hands down better.
 
Hope i've done the right thing with the monitor can't really find any reviews on it.

I think going for a 120hz is the right thing for me though :)
 
Fair enough youve already bought it, and Im sure you wont be dissapointed
But it does make me laugh a little all these people quoting 2ms vs 5 ms vs 8ms, as bfar says, for one theres no industry standard on how to measure them so they mean jack, just like manufacturer quoted contrast ratios, and for two, seen as how olympic athletes are demmed to be incapable of having reaction times inside 330 ms (around that figure, may be slightly more/less) I fail to see how all these CSS pro players can tell the difference between 3 ms, theyre all 100times more responsive than olympic athletes? really?
 
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Fair enough youve already bought it, and Im sure you wont be dissapointed
But it does make me laugh a little all these people quoting 2ms vs 5 ms vs 8ms, as bfar says, for one theres no industry standard on how to measure them so they mean jack, just like manufacturer quoted contrast ratios, and for two, seen as how olympic athletes are demmed to be incapable of having reaction times inside 330 ms (around that figure, may be slightly more/less) I fail to see how all these CSS pro players can tell the difference between 3 ms, theyre all 100times more responsive than olympic athletes? really?
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Fully agree with that. My old asus 22 was 8 or 5 ms as standard (can't remember) with a 2ms overdrive mode, which whilst being a teeny bit twitchier, was detrimental to overall experience to the point where it was a better gaming experience to not use the overdrive.

That said, my current iiayma27 is 2ms, and the response is nuts if I set my mouse sensitivity to high in bad company, my brain/mouse hand can't keep up with the visual stimulus.

What I'm trying to say very badly, is, there comes a point where your nervous system has more lag than the pc. Either that or I have some kind of disorder, lol!
 
Honestly... When OLEDs come out you'll see the difference. Until then be content ;). Humans can process visual information insanely quickly but that doesn't mean that they are great at interpreting it. Maybe I should have said all of that before I had all that cider. :rolleyes:
 
Monitor and all my peripherals came today and look awesome.

The quality of the monitor and the stand is far beyond my Samsung Pebble. Shame my PC hasn;t arrived yet for me to plug it into.

Hopefully tomorrow :)
 
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