Caporegime
you dont need to change, not if things are working still ;]
To the more 'seasoned' bodybuilders
- Thread starter ellingham
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that's the thing things were working great to the point where I managed to put 2" on my arms after that 6 month's training. But then it stopped, even now another year after that I've hardly added any extra size. I guess I had impressive noob gains but that was it. 
I have made good progress since then, my big 3 lifts have all gone up consideraly and my body composition is a lot better with a lot less flab around my waist, I guess this is the part where I have to keep at it.
I have made good progress since then, my big 3 lifts have all gone up consideraly and my body composition is a lot better with a lot less flab around my waist, I guess this is the part where I have to keep at it.
Which is why I and others try and share our knowledge - between some of the people here for whom I have a lot of respect there are dozens of years of experience.
Which is awesome.
Plus I have a good mate, who altough not training with is always there for nutrutional and lifting advice. Which he is just great with.
Man of Honour
I wouldn't be jealous of those gains - I know guys who have used lots of such substances who have caught me up using them, but owing to their lack of knowledge, training, diet and dedication they don't maintain what they have.
To get where you have Benny without artificial help is fantastic, and shows the dedication you need to improve yourself. Sure, some guys will get to ridiculously big lifts with assistance, whilst some will without. Look at someone like Tank, immensely strong, yet 100% natural.
Whilst I have nothing against people using them, I find it more remarkable and impressive seeing a natural dude, get a good physique and lift some impressive numbers.
To get where you have Benny without artificial help is fantastic, and shows the dedication you need to improve yourself. Sure, some guys will get to ridiculously big lifts with assistance, whilst some will without. Look at someone like Tank, immensely strong, yet 100% natural.
Whilst I have nothing against people using them, I find it more remarkable and impressive seeing a natural dude, get a good physique and lift some impressive numbers.
Likewise mate
Undoubtedly.
My old training partner pops up on FB every now and then not bragging, well boasting, in a way. '17stone3lbs @ 15% bf' or 'What you squatted today I benched'. I have a good dig at him for it though!
Whilst I have no intentions of touching it, it does seem a shame to never see what I would look like if were to put on massive amounts of mass. I'm talking unachievable amounts naturally not that I would want to weigh 300lbs but curiosity and all that.
My goal is easily achievable naturally just a PITA that it takes so long unassisted. It'll be much more rewarding and a true testament to achieve my goals naturally.
I'm sure someone else knows what I'm on about!
Quads today
Caporegime
Having a goal is great and achievable be it natural or not. What is hard is keeping to that goal once there. Being natural gives you a better base, your 'average' day is still good. Being geared up, off cycle, your average day is crap
Benny, i understand your curiosity in how big you could be, it's something I've thought about many times! Gear would make me huge, would be amazing, but would also be wrong in my eyes
Benny, i understand your curiosity in how big you could be, it's something I've thought about many times! Gear would make me huge, would be amazing, but would also be wrong in my eyes
My old T/P went a bit OTT on his first cycle, put on a lot of size very quickly which placed a lot of strain on his heart. With already very low/ zero cardio his heart as a muscle wasn't up to standard. The increase in mass put his blood pressure dangerously high and his doctor said he wasn't far off having a stroke!
Not only this but he also said running around at 17/18 stone was exhausting and general day to day tasks became difficult, like fitting in the bath/shower.
I'd love to have the physique I admire but I can also see it being very inconvienient at times and wouldn't want the attention/stares.
Not only this but he also said running around at 17/18 stone was exhausting and general day to day tasks became difficult, like fitting in the bath/shower.
I'd love to have the physique I admire but I can also see it being very inconvienient at times and wouldn't want the attention/stares.
Caporegime
Yep, day to day tasks at a heavy weight is hard. Toilets in work are terrible for me 
Man of Honour
It's all very well having the physique, however if you haven't got the fitness and strength that goes with it, then why do it at all? It should be about a lifestyle change, living healthy, well and enjoying life without putting yourself at risk. By improving your health you minimise health problems, it shouldn't be creating you new ones. I know I can go for a long hike for several hours straight non stop in the mountains, ski for 4-5 hours down challenging runs, and play a game of rugby without feeling like my heart's going to pack up or my lungs turn to fire.
There's nothing more laughable than a bloke that struggles to get up the stairs without breaking into a sweat who then boasts to be the bees knees.
Clearly, this is all in my opinion. CV health is just as important as mental, physical and dietary health. So easily overlooked
I sweat like a paedophile in a playground when training - though I'd consider myself (and according to work's health check) in the above average fitness range. Sure, not elite or VERY fit - but above average is good enough for me.
There's nothing more laughable than a bloke that struggles to get up the stairs without breaking into a sweat who then boasts to be the bees knees.
Clearly, this is all in my opinion. CV health is just as important as mental, physical and dietary health. So easily overlooked
I sweat like a paedophile in a playground when training - though I'd consider myself (and according to work's health check) in the above average fitness range. Sure, not elite or VERY fit - but above average is good enough for me.
Caporegime
But that's the trade off you get. You (as in most people) cannot be big and very fit to do the things you mention. In a lot of cases it's physically impossible.
So it's either be huge and not be cardio great, or be bigger than normal people but not huge and have great cardio.
So it's either be huge and not be cardio great, or be bigger than normal people but not huge and have great cardio.
Clearly, this is all in my opinion. CV health is just as important as mental, physical and dietary health. So easily overlooked
I sweat like a paedophile in a playground when training - though I'd consider myself (and according to work's health check) in the above average fitness range. Sure, not elite or VERY fit - but above average is good enough for me.
I've always said the heart should be trained like any other muscle whether it be with CV work or intense (short rest interval) resistance work outs, circuits or even just long walks!
Gave my quads a good going over today. Just presses (no lock outs & 4s negs!
) & extensions (off squats for a bit as had my back reset yesterday and am bored of them!) and by the time I finished my extensions sweat had been dripping off my chin & nose into my lap so much that it looked like I'd full on ****ed myself.
Man of Honour
No you're right, you can't be Ronnie huge, but you can still be Number 8 huge and be fit.
Caporegime
Yeah definitely, but no8's aren't that heavy 
Man of Honour
17-18st isn't lightweight either
You're just a monster
You're just a monster
Caporegime
Thing is, you look at most normal club level rugby and in general you don't get proper big no8's. Size wise yeah, but not mass.