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Tommy Robinson arrested

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by nightrider1470, Jun 2, 2018.

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  1. RaohNS

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    In what way?
    Lowest Black unemployment?
    Lowest Hispanic unemployment?
    More people employed than ever before?
    Tax cuts?


    Have you watched CNN or MSNPC? He has had a fake story pushed now for well over a year. He constantly has salacious lies broadcast about him.

    It's quite clear you've not understood what Trump represents. You think he is a voice for 60,000,000 Klansmen... He is a push back against a system.

    Utter rubbish. Lowest ever African American unemployment... Lowest ever Hispanic unemployment... He sounds like a ****-poor racist to me.

    No, the media has done that. Trump has just said a problem what is there. Fake News is a real thing. The problem is half the people believe the MSM the other half don't.

    Not entirely true. In the beginning, it was US and Australian intelligence agencies that conspired with US counterparts to try and prevent Trump from becoming President (SpyGate by Dan Bongino). Also search on YT for Dan Bonginos viral speech.

    He has done no worse than other world leaders then. I don't agree with it in principle, however have to concede he has made more progress on North Korea than any leader in the last 70years. He even cost George Galloway £1,000 on a bet.

    How many wars has Trump started... Out of curiosity?

    ... Seriously? The poster who says Trump and Tommy Robinson should be lined up and shot against a wall and that of you were doing it:

    But do tell us about a man with no morals.

    More than you.

    The Holocaust denying NYT. The same NYT caught on camera by Project Veritas. The credibility of that entity hangs by a thread (Tim Pool). As for the Washington Compost, I would be looking wider than them as reputable.

    I would sincerely ask you to think here.... What if he is in a part correct? You do know the US-Mexican War was started because of fake news? The Iraq War 2 saw the BBC inviting on pro-War positions. National press supported it to a large degree with a couple of notable exceptions.





    When CNN make constant... Constant comparisons of Trump being Hitler... Of his supporters being "white supremacists"... What effect does that have?

    Yea, the pipe bombs to wrong addresses. To places where it's obvious what the devices were. Sounds like a real threat!

    No no but shooting him piece by piece Psychlo (Battlefield Earth reference in case mods get sensitive) style.

    Far far left of centre I would estimate.

    That's very subjective. I suppose you also believe Trump is responsible for the Govt shutdown last time and this? Hint: Article 1 of the Constitution makes it clear that Congress are the ones responsible.

    Criminal yes. Racist? Zero evidence. In fact if you ever saw his Twitter when it was up he had pictures with a group of Amadiya Muslims all smiles. His best mate is black. Be has friends from all walks of life including Muslims. Watch his interview with Imam Tawhidi. At best you might have a joke he might have made.

    Keep an open mind Klink.
     
  2. chroniclard

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    There are no tax cuts for normal people with Trump, most people have increased taxes this year. Tax cuts for his rich mates and people who paid him off perhaps. Witness his draining of the swamp by all his picks getting arrested. Witness his daily misspelled ranting on twitter. Witness his lies and alt facts every day. Witness on one hand claiming to be god fearing while porking porn stars behind his wifes back on the other. Witness the biggest proponent of fake news being Trumps administration itself. Completely immoral moron.

    Witness another RaohNS conspiracy theory.
     
  3. h4rm0ny

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    I wouldn't even focus on outcomes, myself. These have complex origins and in any case are divorced from desire and intent. I'd ask what has Trump done personally that condemns him. His first year in office seemed quite positive to me. It's only more recently as the Establishment has regrouped from the disarray of Hillary losing that he now seems to be locked in a secret battle with neocons and all-out war by the Democrats.

    Russian collusion has been pushed like a mantra. Someone also edited together a fraction of the attempts to associate him with the KKK to hilarious effect.



    But sadly, searching for this on YouTube right now, YouTube presented me a page full of videos suggesting that he supports the KKK before I eventually found this one way down.

    Indeed, the KKK bogeyman is used to tar political enemies despite the KKK being tiny in number and politically powerless.

    Less racist than his media and political opponents on the whole, that is for certain!

    They'd have felt quite at home on the counter-protest to the Brexit rally where the mob was calling for Tommy Robinson's death in chants.

    The NYT that employs open racists, also!

    Can we add Libya to the list, please? The media lock-down and propaganda on that one was like nothing I've ever seen in the West, before. I was an active voice against it and I have never faced such well-organized and aggressive opposition propaganda before. And the case was indisputably built on lies.
     
  4. jsmoke

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    You talk like a Republican.
     
  5. stockhausen

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    The good news for him is that Trump can always count on the enthusiastic support of those acclaimed lovers of freedom and democracy Kim Jong-un and Vladimir Putin
     
  6. Lord-Jaffa

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    You haven't countered anything with examples, just a bunch of vague statements and ramblings, like all your posts, no substance at all.
     
  7. RaohNS

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    There are and have been tax cuts. They have been across the board. He cut taxes and revenue went up. It was the Democrats who stopped them being permanent.

    How is it a conspiracy theory when its all out there? The only one making it up is you.

    We can add Libya, yes. The employment rates have lots of factors. More to name. But you can argue a policy of reducing red tape is there. The problem is we cant rely on journalists to publish truth anymore. Bringing this back to point, TR has potentially blown the lid on something Panorama execs have done. He has at least prima facie turned the tables on them and now they are going to cry fowl.

    ^ this is an example of a conspiracy theory. Lolhausen, do you believe that the Russian government subverted the entire US election machine and installed Trump as a Manchurian candidate?
     
  8. VincentHanna

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    No.

    But personally I think they put enough bots and fake social media news out there to get him across the line, as a weak American President serves them very well.
     
  9. RaohNS

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    Why would Russia want a President who has said he will beef up the military (and passed two huge military budgets) vs a candidate who they had given vast quantities of money through donations, fees and access?

    Hate to say it Vince but if you believe a few thousand bot accounts (remember Clinton had those too plus the support of ALL major tech companies that did influence results eg #DNCLeaks having an algorithm run to alter its impact eg #dncleaks #DncLeaks #dncLeaks.

    It is like me now being able to claim (against posters like Evan) that voter fraud was a big problem. According to Texas officials 95,000 illegal voters were registered and 58,000 of them voted. There is an LA county with 120% more voters than people actually there. Not to mention voter ID issues.

    Get him across the line?

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    Yea... Scraped him across the line... Barely....

    If bots wanted him to win... Why did he lose the popular vote?
     
  10. VincentHanna

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  12. Rotty

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    This is not a thread about Trump
     
  13. stockhausen

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    Why on earth would "Panorama execs" cry Gallus gallus?
     
  14. sigma

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    Lolly lollinson
     
  15. RaohNS

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    From your own source:

    Unnamed sources.... Who are these people? Things like that are not and never to be trusted. Thought you would have figured that by now?

    Trumps biggest complaint has always been the US getting a short straw in funding obligations. If he is pulling out of NATO... He's not doing a good job of it (beefing up military).

    To Rotty: It isn't, but maybe if mods did a better job there of being non-partisan in their role. There is open hostility to pro-Trump posters that is 100% permitted and descends into gleeful histrionics by the mob in there.
     
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  16. RaohNS

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    They have been exposed. Thus far we have the execs referring to all white working class as Cannibals and space aliens....

    Imagine referring to blacks or other such groups as something similar. His head would be wanted on a spike!
     
  17. stockhausen

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    Has this appalling Panaroma program about chickens been aired yet?
     
  18. h4rm0ny

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    Such "bots" as have been actually sourced to Russian IPs (markedly different from being sourced to the Russian government as anyone with a basic understanding of the Internet knows) are a tiny, tiny, drop in the ocean compared to the online storm unleashed by the Democrats in the presidential election? Facebook refused to even release the ads that they claimed had been funded by Russia though they were pushed into confirming there were (iirc) two of them and cost less than $2000 (would need to dig out the actual figures but it was chronically low). Does anybody actually believe such had any effect compared to the $226.9M that was spent on media blitz by the Hillary campaign? Does anyone think Vladimir Putin thought the US election could be bought for a couple of thousand dollars? It's an absurd notion. And for the incoming comments focused on principle, I'd like them to bring with them their history of complaining when Obama tried to influence UK referendums (to a far greater degree) or their objections to US spending money to overthrow the pro-Russian government of the Ukraine. THEN I might consider that their objections really are about principle or legality, rather than effect. But the truth is it's never been proven. Only that a pitiful amount of effort by some parties traced to IPs in Russia (not the government) may have tried to influence the election. Hardly something that looks worth the time of either Putin or Trump. The best we can possibly lay at Russia's door are the Podesta emails that exposed corruption in the DNC and the Hillary emails that exposed some of her own corruption. But Wikileaks is on record as stating Podesta was a leak from inside the DNC, not a hack as the US establishment has tried to claim and sadly we can no longer ask Seth Rich if it might have been him. In any case, if anyone wants to make the case that the American public being MORE informed about their presidential candidates actual behaviour is anti-democratic, I could always use a laugh.

    Also, since when is being open to dialogue "weak". Pro-war, pro-US hegemony proponents such as yourself are doubly saddening as you probably don't even consider yourself to be such. Yet here you are, condemning withdrawal from the Middle East and ratcheting down East-West tensions as "weakness", just as much as any Neocon hawk.



    EDIT: Gah! Must read to end of thread before replying. Okay, no more replies from me on that but as I spent nearly ten minutes typing it, I'll leave it. My last on the subject though.
     
  19. Scort

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    This thread has taken a bit of a detour it seems, not sure if this video series has been posted:



    Watching a bit now, but this first part is nearly an hour - not sure if I'll watch the whole thing, but it's been interesting so far.

    Edit: also - what's the story with his conviction, is it happening, or is he now off the hook?
     
  20. h4rm0ny

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    For the lastest arrest? I suspect they're quietly trying to drop it. He was reading out names that were already printed in the local paper, he was pretty careful to avoid any legally incriminating additions and this was on the final day of the trial and the jurors had already gone in for their final verdict. If by the third day of the trial the jurors didn't know the names of the defendants, I hardly think that could be laid at Tommy's door. He was then arrested for "breaching the peace" on the instructions of a judge to the police, which was later deemed to be acting inappropriately by other judges. He was fast-tracked through the court process at record speed, denied the opportunity to get his own lawyer and they concealed the time of his court appearance to prevent his friend from reaching him. It has all the hallmarks of a judge acting beyond his remit and even other judges said so (due respect to them). And as a result of all this he was imprisoned and seemingly deliberately moved to a prison with a high Muslim population to justify keeping him in solitary. So as I said, I expect them to try and quietly sideline this though I think he might be pursuing legal action himself.

    As a result of this, he was
     
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