Top secret US spy drone captured by Iran

This thread needs to get real. Russia have been running incursions into our airspace for decades. They turn back just before they get shot down or they are escorted out. Same happens with the USA, China etc etc. Everyone is at it, everyone knows each other is at it but as long as it stays part of the spy game and doesn't become a "political incident" nobody cares.

It isn't just airspace, either. MI6 were caught with their trousers around their ankles when a load of "spy rocks" were unearthed. Russia got caught out with Anna Chapman and a number of others. The USA have had people expelled.

There is no "issue" with any of this unless for whatever reason there is an incident. In this case, a drone (for whatever reason) hit the ground in Iran. Embarrassing for the USA and a powerful propaganda coup for Iran - nothing more than that.

Iran are rightly or wrongly trying to do something that the international community have deemed to be illegal and they need every ace they can lay their hands on. This has nothing to do with anything other than the usual political to-and-fro between aspiring nations and the true world powers.
 
Craterloads said:
Again i ask "So you would be fine, with Iran flying drones over the UK?"
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If I say yes will you stop missing my point by miles every time you post?

Of course I'd be fine with it. Why wouldn't I be? We are all far to insignificant to worry ourselves about the spying activities of other nation states.
 
DaZe said:
People claim the age of the fighter pilot is over due to advances in drones, but surely there will be advances in jamming capabilities. Does this mean the unmanned drone route may not wipe out fighter pilots as the government can't risk losing multiple million dollar drones to cyber warfare?
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No, it will just mean that the drones are fully automated.
 
Craterloads said:
Let me help you “no i would not be happy if the Iranians breached our airspace, possibly endangering UK lives and violating our airspace and sovereignty. Especially if the Iranians were planning to bomb our nuclear sites i would suggest a military response"
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So you expect me to prove everything I say but you think it's acceptable for you to base your point on conjecture? The Americans are not about to bomb the Iranian nuclear sites.

We'll never agree, so lets agree on one thing - that we disagree with each other.
 
[TW]Fox;20752190 said:
If I say yes will you stop missing my point by miles every time you post?

Of course I'd be fine with it. Why wouldn't I be? We are all far to insignificant to worry ourselves about the spying activities of other nation states.
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I highly highly doubt that would be your response. I know i would be ****** if Iran or any other nation were flying unmanned drones over the UK, especially IF they were for research and planning of a military attack on UK facilities.

You have lost all credibility with that post.
 
All unproven 'hack' claims should probably be treated as a "We have computers too!" type response, particularly because an unknown world power infected and broke a lot of their sophisticated equipment with Stuxnet - which lost them a lot of face.

That and 'cyber warfare' is becoming a military buzzword on the international military sabre-rattling scene.
 
Craterloads said:
I highly highly doubt that would be your response. I know i would be ****** if Iran or any other nation would be flying unmanned drones over the UK, especially if they were for research and planning of a military attack on UK facilities.

You have lost all credibility with that post.
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We have plans to annihilate every country on this earth. The US have the same (including us) as do Russia. There is a published list which emerged from post-cold-war Russia which listed in order cities of the UK that were to be nuked, in which order and what kilotonnage/megatonnage of nuke to be used.

Do you think they got the location of Rhydymwyn from a tourist board map or do you think they flew a reconnaissance plane over Wales scouting for such installations?

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https://www.mi5.gov.uk/output/espionage.html

An actual hard-to-refute source kinda proves my point...
 
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D.P. said:
No, it will just mean that the drones are fully automated.
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Which most currently are not, which is probably how something like this happens. Autonomous operation is one of the current hot topics with UAVs and the "sense and avoid" part of that is non-trivial. The RQ-170 is probably old enough it doesn't have any such capability. In future, UAVs should be capable of reacting to jamming etc and not get captured (if that's what happened here).

The really secret bits of it are probably the sensors and they would have an emergency erase requirement. Speculation is that the airframe will be dumbed down compared to something like the B2 because of the risk of losing one.
 
Am I the only one who's a bit dubious over Irans claims that they captured this?...To me it just seems like they could be trying to piggyback of the USA's loss of contact last week with there drone to make themselves look more powerful. I mean I know its a pretty grainy video and all but the "aircraft" dosnt look right to me for some reason. Id expect more damge firstly. The air intake looks a different size to usual (although this could be for any reason) and most of all id of expected the undercarriage to be shown as it just looks like a half complete airfix model in the video hehe?
 
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DRZ said:
All unproven 'hack' claims should probably be treated as a "We have computers too!" type response, particularly because an unknown world power infected and broke a lot of their sophisticated equipment with Stuxnet - which lost them a lot of face.

That and 'cyber warfare' is becoming a military buzzword on the international military sabre-rattling scene.
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I posted this earlier in the thread:

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=20751429&postcount=50

Russia delivered the ground based jamming system mentioned in the article to Iran recently.

More details about the system:

http://defense-update.com/20111205_kvant-1l222-avtobaza-electronic-intelligence-elint-system.html
 
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i'd lol if they plugged a laptop or something into the drone to try and download any logs etc and another stuxnet owned them
 
RE: nations spying on each other.

Russia has sent Russian H-Bear Strategic Bombers (unarmed) over UK airspace. It's a ploy to see how fast the UK can detect a threat and scramble jets to get it out of our airspace.

We've done the same to Russia.
 
Either a fake iran story, holo spaceship, made from plastic and other cheap materials or it is a psy op by the american government.

The story seems unlikely that iran would hack in to a drone and land it and then make a video and american media get hold of it.
 
groen said:
Either a fake iran story, holo spaceship, made from plastic and other cheap materials or it is a psy op by the american government.

The story seems unlikely that iran would hack in to a drone and land it and then make a video and american media get hold of it.
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America has confirmed it lost the plane.
So it's not made up.

As posted earlier Iran has also recently taken delivery of some new Russian jamming equipment. It doesn't need to be hacked. It just needs to lose its connection and it will land itself.
 
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