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Did anyone get into ZOM last week when it game up, I'm up a wee bit on that one with today's leap...
Ameritek as well..

Yes, spotted someone post it on Friday, got in at 0.48, might have being yourself actually and I sold at 0.85 today.

CRSR doing well today, earnings end of month / early Feb.
BOO earnings this week too I believe, heavily invested in both, hoping for some nice movements north.
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Yes, spotted someone post it on Friday, got in at 0.48, might have being yourself actually and I sold at 0.85 today.

Yeah I got in at .45, still holding out..
Never touched BOO, but that's a personal thing not a shares thing, same as I wont get in on the banks lol
CRSR I picked up on a while back, made a chunk sold it and haven't looked since.
 
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Urgh, I had a look into them, thought it looked good so put them on my watchlist to chuck a few quid in and.... forgot all about it

Haha, I did the same with MGT Capital, missed the big climb on Friday and had then put all my spare funds into Ameritek so had nothing to put into them, good job I didn't as they've dropped today...
 
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Interesting to see if the bull run has run out of steam....pretty limp start to the day. 13% jump on the Sensex, but I guess that's local news.

Hard to tell if there's enough mania/hype to get momentum going again....going to be a lot of fingers hovering over sell to protect their profits.

If anyone's got any more shouts like ZOM, get posting, I'm sat on cash waiting for opportunities :D
 
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I suspect it has. I've exited most of my riskier positions now as I think a correction is coming as the economic reality of the pandemic surely has to hit at some point. I see the recent Tesla and Bitcoin rises as bubbles which will burst and take a lot of confidence out of the market for the average investor. I'm taking these irrational runs as an indicator to protect my profits.

I think overall this year has seen a lot of individual investors attracted to day trading due to the time spent working from home allowing more focus on the stock markets (myself included). The huge bull run since the crash in March has lured lots of casual investors in looking for easy gains, but the ease of access to leverage and speculative positions is frankly scary. I, like many people I'm sure, have looked to the stock market because traditional investments avenues are not returning much above 1%. However I suspect a lot of people will get burnt in the coming months if reality starts to bite.
 
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I think overall this year has seen a lot of individual investors attracted to day trading due to the time spent working from home allowing more focus on the stock markets (myself included). The huge bull run since the crash in March has lured lots of casual investors in looking for easy gains, but the ease of access to leverage and speculative positions is frankly scary. I, like many people I'm sure, have looked to the stock market because traditional investments avenues are not returning much above 1%. However, I suspect a lot of people will get burnt in the coming months if reality starts to bite.

100%, some will see shares as a safe thing to do, however, it's still gambling at the end of the day.

I still use HL for my long term stuff and have a monthly deposit going in there, where I use 212 for the day trades and short term stuff just for something to do, both, for me, could go to zero and, while it'd be a bit of a ******, I haven't invested any money I can't afford to lose, HL was started with profits from Crypto mining and has a minor amount going in once a month, 212 was started with £50 and a free share from a friends referral code and I've stuck another £200 in on top of that, I'm now at about £450 and that's with some pretty bad calls, but also the odd good one (ZOM/Argo/RMS for instance), its never going to get me driving around in a Lambo as the old crypto saying goes, but it might get me a decent PC upgrade when AM5 drops if I'm lucky, if not, I'm good with that..
 
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Anyone got any views on cine (or any other shares that have been hammered by covid but might pick up?)

Thing that concerns me on cine is
Debt
And more importantly
Will streaming kill cinema?

That second one is what has me paused
 
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I think the boat on CINE has passed for me. I wanted in when it was 22p, but then it went up to 26p quicker than i got my buy order and i was expecting a pull back but then it kept rising but i didn't have enough faith in it. They have so much debt that it makes it too risky for me at current prices.

Obviously there's a decent chance of upside if it gets back to 300p, and i do believe Cinema will return, streaming still won't replace the cinema appeal for me and i think it's a long way until Cinemas will end, and a lot have invested a lot in more premium seating as standard and it's quite pleasant at my local cinema especially.

My concern is more short term and how long it takes for Cinemas to get back to being fully operational and whether CINE can keep servicing the debt until that point. Then a case of when films will return to big blockbusters. When they last re-opened they seemed to mainly show old films and there's only so long that can bring in money.
 
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I went to film school and my dissertation 10 years ago was on the death of the cinema, basically :D. And I used to work in a Vue 5 years before that. They've been up **** creek for years, hence the debt. They make hardly any money from actual film tickets and rely heavily - if not solely - on concessions; food, drink etc. Attempts to give them a niche over home cinema (and charge customers extra) such as 3D, IMAX have all but died a death.

Combined with huge rents on what are enourmous units, reduced footfall generally (city centres or retail parks), the rise of independents and smaller chains that offer a different experience (Everyman particularly), and the prevelance of streaming - particularly from production companies skipping cinema completely - the future is bleak.

I'd invest in Everyman for sure. Cineworld? Nah.
 
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For a newbie (or anyone non-pro really) imo you should:
1. read the uk personal finance wiki https://ukpersonal.finance/ particularly the personal finance flowchart to make sure investing is the right thing to do https://ukpersonal.finance/flowchart/ and diy tracker to understand a bit better what you're buying and why https://ukpersonal.finance/diy-global-tracker/
2. open a stocks and shares isa with a platform of your choice, e.g. hargreaves lansdown.
3. buy a combination of tracker funds suitable for your age and level of acceptable risk, e.g. 80% stocks, 20% bonds.
there are loads so here's a shortlist: https://www.hl.co.uk/funds/help-choosing-funds/wealth-shortlist
each has a factsheet including: largest holdings, countries/sectors breakdown, fund size, yield, hl comments
don't buy anything you don't understand.
4. leave it alone for as long as possible. don't tinker. don't check it often. don't panic sell if the numbers turn red.

a reasonable way to track the world would be 90% of this
https://www.hl.co.uk/funds/fund-dis...eral-international-index-trust-c-accumulation
and 10% of this
https://www.hl.co.uk/funds/fund-dis...gal-and-general-uk-index-class-c-accumulation

or you could choose to track particular sectors
https://www.hl.co.uk/funds/fund-dis...al-gbl-health-and-pharma-index-c-accumulation
https://www.hl.co.uk/funds/fund-dis...al-global-infrastructure-index-c-accumulation
https://www.hl.co.uk/funds/fund-dis...l-global-real-estate-div-index-c-accumulation
https://www.hl.co.uk/funds/fund-dis...-global-technology-index-class-c-accumulation

bitcoin is gambling, nobody knows what it's worth, if anything.
forex you can't win coz pros have it all automated.


edit: a couple of other interesting funds:
https://www.hl.co.uk/funds/fund-dis...-global-emerging-markets-index-c-accumulation
https://www.hl.co.uk/funds/fund-dis...uture-world-esg-developed-index-accumulation2

I'm sitting here thinking about putting about £100 a month in a fund at HL (not sure which one yet) and £100 a month at Vanguard in their S&P500 fund. Planning some long term investments so not going to move any funds out from it. I got a couple of retirement funds back home in Sweden that have done quite well with the little amounts I have there. They are both technology based so I'm thinking about going in that section.
 

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should we be doubling up on oil now was calculated some where we should be at $61 barrell in 11 months we are already at $57 not even one month into New Year
 
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I'm sitting here thinking about putting about £100 a month in a fund at HL (not sure which one yet) and £100 a month at Vanguard in their S&P500 fund. Planning some long term investments so not going to move any funds out from it. I got a couple of retirement funds back home in Sweden that have done quite well with the little amounts I have there. They are both technology based so I'm thinking about going in that section.

You can only pay into one S&S ISA per tax year so you won't be able to do that, assuming both are in ISAs which they should be. Vanguard's S&P500 fund will be no different to one on HL so you may as well just do both wth HL.
 
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