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How hilarious is this. The unifying thing to bring America back together and forget Donald Trump is to pick a new enemt, Wall Street :p

Well when Occupy Wall Street was happening all these problems started showing up shortly that effect us to this day to turn the people against each other to divert attention.

I wonder where the funding came from for this to happen. ;)

Watch now as the corruption/meddling/fixing get swept under the rug like nothing happened.
 
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As a noob who only invests in funds, why are so many people getting burned when their shares are sold at lower than their stop point they've set?

Simply, you can only sell your stock if someone wants to buy it.

You set your stop loss at 220 say. The price gets to 220 amid a big selloff and trips your stop loss. The exchange tries to sell your stock, but no-ones buying at 220 anymore as the market is plunging. It has to wait until there's a buyer.

Plus there's a queue. All these traders on their apps are right at the back of the queue. The big players and the algos are trading on systems sat physically next door to the exchange, so they're getting their orders in before all the muggins retail investors.

Big queue of sell orders forms in a falling market, and the exchange is filling it as fast as it can, all the while the price is plummeting. The stop losses are feeding the plunge.

This is why there are circuit breakers exists...to stop these sell off spirals.
 
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Simply, you can only sell your stock if someone wants to buy it.

You set your stop loss at 220 say. The price gets to 220 amid a big selloff and trips your stop loss. The exchange tries to sell your stock, but no-ones buying at 220 anymore as the market is plunging. It has to wait until there's a buyer.

Plus there's a queue. All these traders on their apps are right at the back of the queue. The big players and the algos are trading on systems sat physically next door to the exchange, so they're getting their orders in before all the muggins retail investors.

Big queue of sell orders forms in a falling market, and the exchange is filling it as fast as it can, all the while the price is plummeting. The stop losses are feeding the plunge.

This is why there are circuit breakers exists...to stop these sell off spirals.
Thanks for that.

All made all the more worse when many apps don't allow purchases any more. There are far fewer people able to purchase those sell orders back.
 
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Simply, you can only sell your stock if someone wants to buy it.

You set your stop loss at 220 say. The price gets to 220 amid a big selloff and trips your stop loss. The exchange tries to sell your stock, but no-ones buying at 220 anymore as the market is plunging. It has to wait until there's a buyer.

Plus there's a queue. All these traders on their apps are right at the back of the queue. The big players and the algos are trading on systems sat physically next door to the exchange, so they're getting their orders in before all the muggins retail investors.

Big queue of sell orders forms in a falling market, and the exchange is filling it as fast as it can, all the while the price is plummeting. The stop losses are feeding the plunge.

This is why there are circuit breakers exists...to stop these sell off spirals.

Thanks for the detailed explanation, makes sense.
 
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Wow 4500 shares at only $118 did it even dip that low? $130 was the lowest I saw.

That's a bit like your bank taking £500 out of your account to stop you spending it down the pub.

That a bit like an ATM saying no you can't have another £20 for some beers down the pub.
Simply, you can only sell your stock if someone wants to buy it.

You set your stop loss at 220 say. The price gets to 220 amid a big selloff and trips your stop loss. The exchange tries to sell your stock, but no-ones buying at 220 anymore as the market is plunging. It has to wait until there's a buyer.

Plus there's a queue. All these traders on their apps are right at the back of the queue. The big players and the algos are trading on systems sat physically next door to the exchange, so they're getting their orders in before all the muggins retail investors.

Big queue of sell orders forms in a falling market, and the exchange is filling it as fast as it can, all the while the price is plummeting. The stop losses are feeding the plunge.

This is why there are circuit breakers exists...to stop these sell off spirals.


Wouldn't have had the problem if they'd set sell limits with their stops, but then of course they wouldn't have sold the stock.
 
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So is it literally just a case of timing between a stop point of say 200 and the transaction going through the system at say 120? Have to say I assumed if you put 200 you would get 200!

Yea, in extremely high volatile situations, which means high randomness and high unpredictability. You have buy orders and sell orders fighting each other, with lots of different players willing to buy and sell at different price points, there is no set agreement on what the price should be in highly volatile situations. Some sellers accept 100 when others are accepting 150, some are buying at 200 or 300. Its this spread between buyers and sellers that means your stop loss might not be triggered at the exact price you put it at.
 
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GME paid off, £100 profit.
AMC did not, £100 loss.

NOK left it and grabbed more at $4.60 and now breaking even.

Corsair few hundred quid down at moment on 500 shares but gonna wait for that to either drop further and then buy another 500 or just be patient and wait for it to bounce again, no complaints as it made me plenty yesterday. :)
 
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