Two Lossie tornados down

neil_g · 4 Jul 2012 at 10:20

search has been called off..

EdGey · 4 Jul 2012 at 10:25

Hedge · 4 Jul 2012 at 10:56

Tragic

no doubt I would have worked with the missing crew at some point. I spent time on both 617 and 15 squadron up there. Seeing jets in and out every day.

Hopefully an investigation can shed some light on things in the future. My thoughts are with the families of those involved

touch · 4 Jul 2012 at 11:03

The search was called off last night due to the weather conditions (foggy, low visibility). But this morning it is now a "recovery" search rather than a "rescue" search.

Hedge said:
Hopefully an investigation can shed some light on things in the future.

There are uncomfirmed reports that they crashed into each other.

Hedge · 4 Jul 2012 at 11:27

touch said:
There are uncomfirmed reports that they crashed into each other.

Well that seems to be the obvious explaination to two jets going down at the same time. But potentially they could have flown into a large flock of birds. However that does seem pretty unlikely.

Devrij · 4 Jul 2012 at 11:33

Do the jets not have some form of locator device to help them find their location?

touch · 4 Jul 2012 at 11:34

Yes, that is the most obvious explanation, but i didnt want to speculate too much before there is an official statement.

There are other possibilities, as you say, i'm not sure what the weather was like at the time but the search was called off yesterday evening due to poor visibility, which could have been a factor.

RoboCod · 4 Jul 2012 at 15:36

One word... NIMRODS!!!

ffs

touch said:
The search was called off last night due to the weather conditions (foggy, low visibility).

Gackt · 4 Jul 2012 at 15:38

And here I was hoping to read a thread about violently rotating columns of air.

How disappointing.

touch · 4 Jul 2012 at 15:43

UPDATE: One of the crew members picked up and taken to hospital yesterday has died. The other is in a 'serious but stable' condition.
They were from 15 (Reserve) Sqd.

Still no news on the other 2 missing.

RIP

*I'm just posting what i hear from local news sources. I dont actually have any first hand knowledge of whats going on.

bJN · 4 Jul 2012 at 15:48

Just seen the update on BBC's website as well. Doesn't bode well for the other two missing though. Don't think it's been confirmed whether the two pilots that were rescued were of the same aircraft though?

ringo747 · 4 Jul 2012 at 16:31

Very sad news. Could well have been the Role Demo pair as I think they are from 15Sqn. Not a good sign for the others when the search is called off. Must have been a very hard decision to make.

TaKeN · 4 Jul 2012 at 17:48

Poor blokes

Are these the guys who go to RIAT each year?

My Favorite jets of the day there. Amazing display.

Monkeymatt · 4 Jul 2012 at 18:23

Do they not have systems to warn pilots when they get too close to another plane?

Regardless, it is very sad to hear of an incident like this.

scrlk · 4 Jul 2012 at 18:25

Monkeymatt said:
Do they not have systems to warn pilots when they get too close to another plane?

Regardless, it is very sad to hear of an incident like this.

I know there is TCAS for civil aircraft, but I don't know if they have a similar system for military.

opstrat · 4 Jul 2012 at 18:34

Monkeymatt said:
Do they not have systems to warn pilots when they get too close to another plane?

Regardless, it is very sad to hear of an incident like this.

there will be something in the radar systems. but at that speed by the time u hear the warning it may be too late.

why did they call of the search so early?

Cosimo · 4 Jul 2012 at 18:34

Sad news about the death. I guess there is little hope for the other two.

Cleeecooo · 4 Jul 2012 at 18:36

opstrat said:
there will be something in the radar systems. but at that speed by the time u hear the warning it may be too late.

why did they call of the search so early?

bad weather

opstrat · 4 Jul 2012 at 18:40

didnt realise it was in morray. thaught it was up in the hills

-BA- · 4 Jul 2012 at 18:42

opstrat said:
bad weather?

ffs fine u call of the sea king and move mountain rescue up the hill. fog isnt exactly a rare occurrence up there.

Struggling to understand what you are getting at with this post but my understanding of the situation is that helicopters and fog generally don't mix well at all.