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Poll: UEFA Euro 2020 Final Italy v England ** spoilers ** [Sunday 11th July 2021]

Discussion in 'The Football Stadium' started by explicit4u, 8 Jul 2021.


Shall we lock this thread for the 90 minutes the game is on?

  1. Yes

    94 vote(s)
  2. No

    124 vote(s)
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  1. RobHu


    Joined: 29 Jan 2008

    Posts: 707

    In this tournament he's been making subs usually around 65 minutes I believe? Italy were losing so needed to make a change, in hindsight we should've made subs earlier as well to match them.

    Who did he take off who was playing well? Rice - gassed, Trippier - gassed as well I think.

    I agree with that for sure. I'm surprised Sterling wasn't taken off considering he apparently wasn't on the list of pen takers too.
  2. NZXT30

    Wise Guy

    Joined: 3 Aug 2010

    Posts: 2,408

    How come Scottish, Welsh and Irish don't have the same reputation yet they have plenty of football yobs? Nothing will change until you take a long hard look at your behavior.
  3. FoxEye


    Joined: 17 Feb 2006

    Posts: 28,564

    Location: Cornwall

    It's not inaccurate in this tournament. Qualifiers against San Marino don't count.

    Again last night, I chuckled. The commentators all saying, "Surely now is the time for subs." "I wonder why we haven't made more subs." "Are we going to use our subs?" "What's going on?"

    I chuckled because it was the same all the way through this tournament. Esp in the games where we struggled Southgate was super reluctant to bring on players in normal time. He hardly ever used all his subs. He doesn't often make changes in normal time.

    e: Oh and when he does make changes - in the games we're hanging on - how many times is it like-for-like.

    How many times does Southgate take off a defender and bring on an attacker?

    He's taking attackers off for attackers, and defenders for defenders (etc). When have you seen him abandon his cautious approach to bolster the attack?

    Maybe my memory is just really bad, huh. But I don't think so.
  4. McBain


    Joined: 17 Oct 2002

    Posts: 24,544

    Location: Lancs/London

    Grealish saying he wanted to take a penalty and said that he would, I think we all have to come to terms with the fact Southgate simply doesn't fancy him.
  5. The_One


    Joined: 27 Dec 2003

    Posts: 12,948

    he was down as number ten apparently

    saying you will take a pen and offering to take a pen if it requires more are different??

    He's only ever taken one competitive penalty in his career and missed

    dont buy that he was more than willing
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  6. Freakbro


    Joined: 29 Jul 2010

    Posts: 20,016

    Location: Lincs

    Well, that alice band isn't the best look for him :p
  7. Sui


    Joined: 24 Sep 2005

    Posts: 3,568

    Location: Brighton

    Some good news from last night, BBC trounced ITV 25mil to 6mil on the viewing figures or something. Not sure how many were internet streams, but hopefully it might make them realise their online offering is about 20years out of date.
  8. Joxeon


    Joined: 15 Oct 2019

    Posts: 7,470

    Location: Uk

    Had we gone at Italy with a positive attacking line up I think we would have won comfortably but unfortunately we have a manager who is to cautious and instead plays for penalties.

    Just look at Italy from 3 years ago till now with much the same players from not even qualifying to winning. Managers make a big difference to the team and luckily for you that you have Mancini, unfortunately for us we have Southgate.
  9. rhobbyh


    Joined: 24 Mar 2020

    Posts: 65

    england overachieved getting to the final, all be it with a favourable route the way things panned out.

    as a neutral Italy vs either Belgium, Spain or France would have made the game a real spectacle rather than what was a rather turgid affair. maybe england scoring so quickly was the worse thing that could have happened to them.
  10. tommybhoy


    Joined: 30 Mar 2010

    Posts: 11,815

    Location: Under The Stairs!

    Mancini junked the 'fill the team with Juventus players' mentality, the team is nothing like the team of 3 years ago that didn't qualify.

    If England went full on attack mode, Italy would have ripped England to bits, way too fast going for goal against an overexposed midfield/defense.

    The Italian press/ball possesion is what killed it for England in terms of going for goal, they couldn't get near the ball.
  11. DrToffnar


    Joined: 25 Jan 2013

    Posts: 3,849

    Tbf, I can't think of the last final of an international I watched that had me on the edge of my seat. Very few teams play to win once their 1 up.
  12. McBain


    Joined: 17 Oct 2002

    Posts: 24,544

    Location: Lancs/London

    His words not mine as a direct reply to pundits saying he should've been offering to take one so i'm assuming he's referencing the first 5.
  13. The_One


    Joined: 27 Dec 2003

    Posts: 12,948

    i know mate ive seen his tweet i just dont buy it
  14. support_bae


    Joined: 10 Mar 2009

    Posts: 466

    I’m English but I’m so glad Football is not coming home. What an arrogant bunch we are thinking we could win this.

    We had an easy route to the final, anything less than reaching the final would have been unacceptable.

    I hope we get a tough group in the WC and not qualify, that’ll show the world we are a bang average squad.
  15. adam cool dude


    Joined: 22 Oct 2002

    Posts: 21,291

    Location: Boston, Lincolnshire

    Germany were utter tripe in 2002 and had a really easy route to the final. The real final in the world cup was the quarter final between England and Brazil.

    It is quite simple really. You cannot judge the quality of a team by its knockout performance which why in reality the domestic league is the best metric of how good a team is. Unfortunately implementing something like that on the world stage would be difficult.
  16. Pigeon_Killer


    Joined: 21 Nov 2005

    Posts: 36,169

    Location: Cornwall

    Not sure I agree with that.

    France play very similar to us. Loads of attacking talent but they played counter attacking football and regularly had Griezmann and Benzema tracking back with only Mbappe staying up top. I don't think Deschamps would've managed the game any differently to Southgate.

    Belgium looked a complete mess in attack and were lucky to beat Denmark and Portugal who absolutely battered their goal. Another team with a load of attacking talent but they play very negative, disjointed football under Martinez. Best team in the world because they've got the best squad for me, the manager does very little for them.

    Italy vs Spain was a cagey semi final and Italy played exactly like us in the final. Sat back and hoped for a single chance to score which they got. I don't think the final would've been much different.
  17. Quinnaay


    Joined: 10 Mar 2013

    Posts: 7,518

    Location: Rotherham

    You Welsh, Scottish or Irish?

    The first half Italy could only take pot shots from 30 yards. They couldn't get a sniff, holding the ball and did nothing.

    To say if we went attacking we would have got beat is just insanity.

    We have more than enough capability in that team to score multiple goals with a more aggressive set up.

    Immobile and Berardi both garbage all tournament.

    We bottled it playing too passive and deep, if we had pushed more for a second I believe we would have won comfortably.
  18. Quinnaay


    Joined: 10 Mar 2013

    Posts: 7,518

    Location: Rotherham

    He's been more than honest in interviews and respectful when ultimately treat like trash. He's no need to lie, I believe he would have happily taken on of the first 5, the gaffa had other ideas.
  19. DrToffnar


    Joined: 25 Jan 2013

    Posts: 3,849

    That's the spirit.
  20. ik9000


    Joined: 23 Nov 2019

    Posts: 2,537

    where did I narrow it down to just England? Stop finding insult where none is intended. If it touches a nerve ask yourself why.
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