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UK Government Performance 2019-2024

Discussion in 'Speaker's Corner' started by Dirk Diggler, Dec 13, 2019.

  1. dowie

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    From early on in the current thread too:

    March 12th:
    March 13th:

    By 16th of March IIRC the Ferguson paper was published and it took a few days after that before the UK (and Scottish) governments decided their approach was a load of BS.
     
  2. Tony Edwards

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    The more that gets revealed the worse it gets.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ed-uk-from-abroad-during-coronavirus-lockdown
    Although who ever thought it was okay to send old people from hospital with corona to care homes should be charged with something.
     
  3. Dirk Diggler

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    @dowie fair play to you, I can't argue with much of that.

    Having spoken to true blue conservative voters at work and in my family who are anti SNP, they have been very complimentary about NS and her handling of the crisis. However, having had this conversation with you it's clear that there's definitely an element of criticism due. I still think it's complicated as the Scottish Government can't make decisions on devolved matters that are crucial to implement early action, but at I say you've made some valid points.

    To be fair, I don't know if you've seen any of the daily briefings from Scotland but when compared to the UK updates it's clear to see why Sturgeon is being praised by some unlikely (temporary, no doubt) admirers. Just the simple things like ensuring she personally delivers every one of them, and she's done some very human things like take time to thank Scotland's children for putting up with her lockdown rules.
     
  4. dowie

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    Not seen much of her briefings but I'm sure she probably does come across better, yup I do accept that they don't have all the control here (British Government has by far the most blame), but it was frustrating to see that no politicians were seemingly challenging the government on this at the time. Yup she couldn't lock down (no budget for it etc..), I think large event cancellations and school closures are another matter - could have gone for that and ordering social distancing in pubs perhaps... things like contact tracing stopping too, don't know if perhaps with healthcare devolved a Scottish leader wanting to be proactive could have not given up on that and/or recruited people to do it. Ditto to mask wear in public, especially indoors.

    From an SNP perspective, if they had the foresight to act (or in some areas voice that they'd otherwise want to act) decisively on this then surely it plays into their entire overall political goal very nicely... firstly they demonstrate they've got a better grasp on the issue and they also highlight that they want to do other things but are being held back by Westminster... By now they'd perhaps be able to point at the benefit of the aspects of the different approach they did take and also lay the blame on Westminster for stuff they were unable to do but wanted to... In a way they've probably got a bit of an angle here too re: just how much of a disaster this has been but they were on board with the plan initially and are only starting to diverge a bit now... though if the UK is going to go down the contact testing route then it's going in the right direction now (implementation still pending tho... opening up a bit before contact tracing is in place is still an unnecessary risk for England).

    Ditto to the likes of Boris/Cummings if they had any foresight/decisiveness... could have stopped flights from China, implemented some sort of quarantine for other visitors then generally reduce/stop most flights from EU too. Lockdown early, ramp up contact tracing capacity, ban large events, close pubs etc.. early, get people wearing masks much earlier on. By now the UK could be more like Eastern Europe with relatively few deaths and able to pivot into an SE Asian approach instead of like pretty much most of the rest of Western Europe... The Spectator could be going off on one re: Italy, France with their open borders etc.. Boris would probs have had to suffer some criticism for the first few weeks but by now he'd look very decisive and everyone would be applauding him.

    We'll see more from Sir Keir soon too in due course, he's being rather methodical - again he didn't stick his neck out either, make any decisive call or offer any alternative at the time, that would have been nice to see on the overall strategy but then again various other politicians didn't make any call re: this either. He'll no doubt be holding the government to account in due course and Boris won't be having a fun time facing him at PMQs... big big change from Corbyn.


    Inexplicably? Hardly - this was when the government had the "mitigation" plan in place and had moved on from the "delay" phase... the plan at that time was simply to isolate the vulnerable and let the virus pass through the population (in some attempt at a controlled manner via washing hands, distancing etc..) as though it was some sort of bad flu pandemic and majority infection was seen as inevitable. Given this was the plan then it's perfectly logical that they'd give up on quarantine measures (just as they gave up on testing) etc.. Problem is this overall plan stunk.

    Question is - did she call this out at the time? Her leadership didn't seem to.
     
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  5. mid_gen

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  6. Greebo

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  8. Greebo

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    #21 and #22 look more than likely to be broken in 2021 now (albeit not necessarily their fault)
     
  9. JeditOjanen

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    Same goes for Opposition Claim #5. They did stockpile some supplies, but those are being burned up by the current crisis and I doubt they'll be replenished before the end of the transition period.
     
  10. Greebo

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    Does matter anyway as since the Tories gained power the stockpiles decreased, not increased anyway. Well of PPE they did. Drugs may well have been stockpiled ready for Brexit.
     
  11. efish

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    Perhaps its just all part of the cunning secret plan that we are not allowed to see. Actually I have seen the Covid part, difficult to read as its been written in a shaky hand in crayon with some strange ranting about eugenics and inherited genetic traits. " Lull the virus into a false sense of security by feigning incompetence then jump on it when it attempts to sneak into the room." Signed A scientist who is not Dominic ' the U.K's No 1 Alert and Vigilant feel the quality of my communications ability' Cummings.

    It ends with the slogan "Bung a Big Bob On the Bong And Save Fred"

    Which must have been an early draft of "stay alert" while he was still high on the crack pipe.
     
  12. Steampunk

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    A good opinion piece reviewing Boris's latest performance in PMQs:

     
  13. simpletom

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    It really shows that detail is irrelevant to Johnson. He is simply a figurehead, a mascot, for vapid nationalism.

    He reminds me of the cocky student who plays to the class, raises a few titters, but when it comes to the crunch, falls apart. Without any sort of backup, he is like an infant with a crayon in his hand and scribble on the wall. "It wasn't me!".

    I guess the problem with Starmer will be he is too smart and Johnson, well, isn't. Instead, it'll be bluster, answers full of meaningless interjections like "um...", as he shambles through his poorly recalled and rehearsed delivery.

    But people love him as, well, he is easy to digest. He'll sometimes throw in big words, or non-English terms, to highlight his class credentials, but they don't matter.

    He is funny. Ha.
     
  14. Mr Jack

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    The Telegraph, practically Boris' house paper wasn't any less damning: Keir Starmer took Boris Johnson apart like a Duplo train set:

    It’s always the toughest stage of The Apprentice: the interviews round. A slick-haired young telemarketer in a shiny suit will swagger in, and start bragging about the foolproof business idea he’s had – only for the interviewer to take him apart like a Duplo train set. In no time, the candidate has dissolved into a puddle of babbling neurosis, unable to give a convincing answer to any question, up to and including the spelling of his own name.

    This is what it’s like, these days, watching Sir Keir Starmer grill Boris Johnson at PMQs. Labour’s new leader is calm, polite, and utterly merciless.​
    ...
    It was tough to watch. Mr Johnson’s supporters might well say: who cares about PMQs? The Prime Minister has far more important things on his plate. He’s trying to tackle a pandemic, for pity’s sake.
    Which is true. The trouble is, all of Sir Keir’s questions were about the Prime Minister’s handling of that pandemic. About his Government’s advice, its actions, its figures, its findings. And this week – like last week – the Prime Minister didn’t have the answers.​

    That's gotta hurt for BoJo.
     
  15. Stretch

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  16. Steampunk

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    It wouldn't be the first time people re-tweeting such things have ended up sued for libel. They should probably be banned off the social media platform they posted such things on.
     
  17. Dirk Diggler

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    If like to see some further confirmation before updating the OP, but yes it looks very likely to be officially broken.
     
  18. chroniclard

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    A vast majority of everything Corbyn related was lies/misinformation, most lied about politician in history or some such. Nothing was done. Nothing will be done. Its a key piece of this governments arsenal.
     
  19. efish

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    More concerned about the fact a health minister during a national health emergency is found to spend her time researching for 'alternative facts' on bonkers far right wing sites promoting conspiracy theories.

    I wonder what its science advice is like?

    Got people dying and a Minster of State who can find the time to review online cesspits to obtain material for her messaging as a Minister of health during a health crisis .

    Job well done?

    In Scotland we have nuts calling for an anti vax/ anti lock-down, free speech demos, so the kind of thing doing the rounds here.

    Far right lunatic fringe high on the success and power Brexit handed to them.

    Scary, you look at the States, this is not going to go away it's becoming the new politics of the right. The most frighting aspect, it works. Tory porn bots malfunctioned about week ago, started dropping code instead of the fake news, all over the place.

    Online communication bragged about recently by the 'top messaging party' is an extensive dirty old flow of filth.

    Insight into the spread source and the low life in high office to be associated with such activities. Total dumb down of politics into fantastical political spectacle. Surprised the party is not considering a name change to Political Porn Hub and running with the Benny Hill theme tune as the party song.

    At least we can now understand the messaging.

    "Stay alert for more distracting fake sleaze from Porn Bot & Blue central. Lets make Britain Great Again"
     
    Last edited: May 14, 2020
  20. efish

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    Institute for government, Civil service after Brexit Lessons from Article 50 period. link

    Thing that I notice is the overlap between then with Brexit and now with Covid 19.

    Only difference secrecy and political bot porn have no effect on the virus. It has no interest in Brexit it just wants to kill people.