UK 'pirates' face £20 appeal fee

[Haggisman]

I fail to see how its an outdated business model though?

That appears to be a common failing within the industry

Surely the fact that it isn't working shows that it's outdated?

If you provide the whole song to listen to as a preview, then somebody will just record it rather than buy it. Or you could just preview an entire album rather than actually ever paying for it.

If they were going to do that, they could just as easily do it through illegal means.

I'd actually totally forgotten about Spotify and similar. Thats another way to preview many tracks and the potentially buy them. Like I've said before, we have it the best we have ever had it.

It would be if more music was on there and newer tracks were on there.

You keep using the argument "we have it the best we have ever had it." - that doesn't mean we should stop looking at ways to improve the situation further.

The quality of what? The transfer to video?

I don't feel that was clear if so, your post seemed to imply you were at odds with the likes of Hollywood and the Music Industry for keep rehashing the likes of Transformers and X-Factor winners. Which, I'd add are just one aspect of those industries and don't represent them as a whole, and just because you don't like such things, I fail to see how that gives anyone the ability to tar them all with the same brush as justification to take them for nothing.

I think you've missed his point completely.

He was saying the terrible quality of newer releases (content, not picture/audio quality) is responsible for the decline in sales of media, not piracy.

 

[Nexus]

The quality of the overall film, nothing to do with quality of transfer, not sure what you are getting at with that one.

Hollywood is all about films (and funnily enough I bought all 3 Transformers films on release day because I like them and wanted to own them when I could have got 1080p copies off the net weeks before the UK release date) and the recent re-booting/re-imaging of franchises recently and doing old films again is a little tiresome.

Maybe I am not your average DVD/Blu-ray customer anymore, but I only buy films I truly love, I will then watch the rest on Sky movies when they come out, as lets be honest, the time between cinema release and release on Sky is minimal now.

I just don't feel the need now to buy DVD after DVD on mediocre films to never watch them again, I only want films I know I'm going to enjoy time and time again.

Think the wires were crossed there, I thought you were implying like some others here that because you don't like some of the content being produced that it was a blanket reason to take everything for nothing, because it was all the evil corporations' fault.

I do the same myself in that I only buy Blurays now when its a film I really like. Back when DVDs first came out, I was buying one every time I went shopping, as I'm sure many other people did.

I think the main difference between then and now is because of the rise of other ways of watching films. Like you say, Sky doesn't have as big a gap anymore, plus there are rental services like Netflix and LoveFilm which I've been using for years now.

 

[Nexus]

Your perspective seems as out of touch as the media industry tho I agree with the problem regarding previewing but that doesn't mean theres not a solution but the media industries would rather hold onto what they know and/or use legal action to try and stop things running along different lines to how they are used to or want to do business.

Spotify is a step in the right direction, yes we might have it better than we've ever had before but its still a long way from ideal for anyone involved - everyone needs to try and work together, use legal alternatives as much as possible when they are reasonably priced rather than freeloading and businesses need to adapt to the needs of their market not try to sue customers because they are unable to deal with the changing shape of the market.

When your looking at taking legal action against a sizeable proportion of your customer base rather than in extreme cases you have to realise at some point your failing at basic business.

But when people cry that the business model is outdated, I never see anyone put forward a suggestion as to a model that would work differently. Care to suggest one if you have any ideas?

 

[mmj_uk]

But when people cry that the business model is outdated, I never see anyone put forward a suggestion as to a model that would work differently. Care to suggest one if you have any ideas?

Megaupload and Piratebay were planning there own distribution systems where artists received a royalty, but it cut out the music labels and they coincidently both got shut down rather suddenly.

 

[Nexus]

Megaupload and Piratebay were planning there own distribution systems where artists received a royalty, but it cut out the music labels and they coincidently both got shut down rather suddenly.

With Megaupload, thats just a case of using their success through disingenuous means to attempt to create something, which would eventually generate them revenue which wasn't based on people using the service because of piracy. It would give them some legitimacy through having a legal product and keep them going should piracy be further stamped out in future. I don't believe for one minute they were doing it because it was a real desire to help artists and attempt to create some kind of new business model. It also isn't some kind of conspiracy as somebody attempted to suggest in the previous one of these threads.

You also have to remember that record companies aren't going to want to want to jump into bed with pirates, further to that, Megaupload was a company that was already heavily criticised and runs the likes of porn sharing websites. Its hardly the kind of thing any company who values their image would want to be associated with.

Even if the record companies did go through with it, its just another Spotify type service, its not an entire new business model that solves the so called problem that pirates seem to be moaning about.

 

[Gzero]

Think the wires were crossed there, I thought you were implying like some others here that because you don't like some of the content being produced that it was a blanket reason to take everything for nothing, because it was all the evil corporations' fault.

I do the same myself in that I only buy Blurays now when its a film I really like. Back when DVDs first came out, I was buying one every time I went shopping, as I'm sure many other people did.

I think the main difference between then and now is because of the rise of other ways of watching films. Like you say, Sky doesn't have as big a gap anymore, plus there are rental services like Netflix and LoveFilm which I've been using for years now.

Nope, I grew up on rewatching Star wars for 10 years and anything that popped up eventually on Channel 5 or 4 or UTV. See my family didn't waste money on 'entertainment' back then, we used imagination and made do with just a hand full of things.

Today the Entertainment industry is HUGE and LOTS of people spend money on it... and what we are told is "Piracy is killing us!".

Materialism needs to die in a hole.

 

[mattyfez]

But when people cry that the business model is outdated, I never see anyone put forward a suggestion as to a model that would work differently. Care to suggest one if you have any ideas?

There doesn't nessesarly need to be an alternative suggestion, old outdated industries decline and disappear all the time, not that the entertainment industry seems to be in any trouble, despite their incessant whining.

Technology and preference has simply moved on, evolution in motion. No amount of legislation and propaganda can turn the clock back.

 

[Nexus]

There doesn't nessesarly need to be an alternative suggestion, old outdated industries decline and disappear all the time, not that the entertainment industry seems to be in any trouble, despite their incessant whining.

Technology and preference has simply moved on, evolution in motion. No amount of legislation and propaganda can turn the clock back.

Of course.

But I'd argue that entertainment industries like Films, Music and Video Games aren't likely to die out anytime soon and certainly not in my lifetime.

The point I was making is that many users on here keep insisting that they are all outdated business models, yet the reality is that there are more ways to buy and in many cases preview material, than there has ever been before.

The point I've made numerous times now which everyone keeps seem to skipping over is:

Regardless of how much money companies may be loosing or not loosing to piracy, why should they not go after people who are taking and sharing their copyrighted material?

If it was me and I had somebody taking something from me, then I'd do whatever I could to go after them. Would you not do the same?

 

[Gzero]

Another reason:
http://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.ph...arning-letters-expose-obvious-deact-flaw.html

 

[InKursion]

Nope, I grew up on rewatching Star wars for 10 years and anything that popped up eventually on Channel 5 or 4 or UTV. See my family didn't waste money on 'entertainment' back then, we used imagination and made do with just a hand full of things.

Today the Entertainment industry is HUGE and LOTS of people spend money on it... and what we are told is "Piracy is killing us!".

Materialism needs to die in a hole.

Yes, that's it, the tens of thousands of struggling artists in the music industry need to go "die in a hole" because they're being soo materialistic.

 

[Nexus]

Another reason:
http://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.ph...arning-letters-expose-obvious-deact-flaw.html

Is that the best you can come up with?

If such legislation is passed, they will have proper procedures in place to ensure that what happens is genuine.

Somebody trying to use an act that hasn't even been passed as a scam is no different to the men who knock on doors and pray on old grannies, or the Indian Call Centres that call me up pretending there is a problem with my PC, or the dozens of e-mails I get from Nigeria where they need help transferring money.

 

[Gzero]

Yes, that's it, the tens of thousands of struggling artists in the music industry need to go "die in a hole" because they're being soo materialistic.

Yay, nice of you to pick just one sentence out of context.

I never did that to your posts...

Incase it went way over your head, I was merely pointing out that people have been spending more on entertainment than ever before.

Is that the best you can come up with?

If such legislation is passed, they will have proper procedures in place to ensure that what happens is genuine.

Somebody trying to use an act that hasn't even been passed as a scam is no different to the men who knock on doors and pray on old grannies, or the Indian Call Centres that call me up pretending there is a problem with my PC, or the dozens of e-mails I get from Nigeria where they need help transferring money.

Except, ACS LAW/Davenport already used the above and no one knows where the money went...

 

[Lightnix]

Well time to wade in with an opinion without really reading the thread again:

I really get the impression that a lot of people are anti-piracy not because they particularly care about the legal side of things, more so they're just offended that people poorer than themselves can gain access to the same products they can. I saw Adobe Photoshop mentioned here as an example of people making money illegitimately using pirated software - the thing with Photoshop is that most people who pirate it could never hope to afford it anyway. Adobe lost nothing because they did not have the $699 to spare in the first place.