Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

scorza · 5 May 2014 at 17:58

ubersonic said:
Then I think you need help

http://axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/Article_66583.shtml

Try to read it without laughing it's like something Fox news would print if they supported the separatists XD

The problem with conspiracy theories is when people start to believe them.

Zethor · 6 May 2014 at 11:28

Only in Soviet Russia:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/paulrod...lection-results-only-15-voted-for-annexation/

The people have spoken! Well, at least some of them..

Nulir · 6 May 2014 at 13:49

Nerusy said:
You just attempted to justify murder of 42 people. Just because they are mobs clashing does not give anyone right to burn or kill people.

I did nothing of the sort

Nerusy said:
I guess you agree with governor of Odessa and gas queen Tymoshenko who claim the burning of people was lawful. That's disgusting.

No

More accurate information on PROVOCATION by the Pro-Russian Thugs.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-27275383

So the Pro Russians were spoiling for a fight that day and lost it seems

[In the aftermath, Ukraine's Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk had some angry words for the security forces, saying they were "inefficient and they violated the law".

He promised a full investigation - right down to "every single police officer". He also said international experts would help to get to the truth of what happened, to make the inquiry transparent.]

With the liberal use of molotov cocktail on BOTH SIDES. Its not surprising the building went up.

Nulir · 6 May 2014 at 13:51

Nerusy said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State-sponsored_Internet_sockpuppetry

We definitely have some Obama bots here, I count at least 3, they all speak like 1 same person have barely any comments or just joined under a year. Peculiar indeed.

Fail

Nerusy · 6 May 2014 at 14:22

Nulir said:
I did nothing of the sort

No

More accurate information on PROVOCATION by the Pro-Russian Thugs.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-27275383

So the Pro Russians were spoiling for a fight that day and lost it seems

[In the aftermath, Ukraine's Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk had some angry words for the security forces, saying they were "inefficient and they violated the law".

He promised a full investigation - right down to "every single police officer". He also said international experts would help to get to the truth of what happened, to make the inquiry transparent.]

With the liberal use of molotov cocktail on BOTH SIDES. Its not surprising the building went up.

Still justifying burning innocent people? That's quite delusional of you. Although expected from somebody so limited in critical thought department.

ubersonic · 6 May 2014 at 14:27

Nulir said:
No

More accurate information on PROVOCATION by the Pro-Russian Thugs.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-27275383

Oh wow, somebody's opinion on what happened written days after the fact, that's totally more accurate than pictures taken at the time >.>

How dare those evil pro Russian protesters provoke the right wing extremists into taking a train there to attack them with clubs and guns, and then the naughty pro Russian protesters provoked them further by hiding in a building, forcing them to pelt it with Molotov cocktails assembled on demand. And then to top it all off they started jumping from the burning building forcing the poor right wing extremists to beat the hell out of them.

Those naughty naughty protesters, shame on them >.>

Nulir · 6 May 2014 at 14:54

ubersonic said:
Oh wow, somebody's opinion on what happened written days after the fact, that's totally more accurate than pictures taken at the time >.>

Carefully selected pictures

ubersonic said:
How dare those evil pro Russian protesters provoke the right wing extremists into taking a train there to attack them with clubs and guns, and then the naughty pro Russian protesters provoked them further by hiding in a building, forcing them to pelt it with Molotov cocktails assembled on demand. And then to top it all off they started jumping from the burning building forcing the poor right wing extremists to beat the hell out of them.

Those naughty naughty protesters, shame on them >.>

'EYEWITNESS and VIDEOs suggest that many were just ordinary members of the public.'

'Some pro-Russian activists carried guns and fired shots during the rioting'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfYlbttDhjY#t=45

More attacks
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_r9jAUxVsc

'Reports of Molotov cocktails were trown from the roof onto those below'

scorza · 6 May 2014 at 14:55

ubersonic said:
Oh wow, somebody's opinion on what happened written days after the fact, that's totally more accurate than pictures taken at the time >.>

How dare those evil pro Russian protesters provoke the right wing extremists into taking a train there to attack them with clubs and guns, and then the naughty pro Russian protesters provoked them further by hiding in a building, forcing them to pelt it with Molotov cocktails assembled on demand. And then to top it all off they started jumping from the burning building forcing the poor right wing extremists to beat the hell out of them.

Those naughty naughty protesters, shame on them >.>

Did you even bother to read the article? It's not just "somebody's opinion" it's a journalist interviewing eye-witnesses and piecing together the evidence into something approaching a coherent story while pointing out where inconsistencies remain.

What pictures btw? Because pictures don't prove anything especially when you can photoshop, or claim that it's something else.

Nulir · 6 May 2014 at 14:55

Nerusy said:
Still justifying burning innocent people? That's quite delusional of you. Although expected from somebody so limited in critical thought department.

There are two sides to a story unlike your posts

ubersonic · 6 May 2014 at 15:01

scorza said:
What pictures btw? Because pictures don't prove anything especially when you can photoshop, or claim that it's something else.

Well the ones showing crowds gathering outside the building to pelt it with molotov are quite damning:

The women are making them so the men are free to stop anyone escaping the building.

Nulir · 6 May 2014 at 15:06

ubersonic said:
Oh wow, somebody's opinion on what happened written days after the fact, that's totally more accurate than pictures taken at the time >.>

How dare those evil pro Russian protesters provoke the right wing extremists into taking a train there to attack them with clubs and guns, and then the naughty pro Russian protesters provoked them further by hiding in a building, forcing them to pelt it with Molotov cocktails assembled on demand. And then to top it all off they started jumping from the burning building forcing the poor right wing extremists to beat the hell out of them.

Those naughty naughty protesters, shame on them >.>

http://news.liga.net/photo/society/...to_vooruzhennykh_odesskikh_separatistov.htm#1

Nulir · 6 May 2014 at 15:11

ubersonic said:
Well the ones showing crowds gathering outside the building to pelt it with molotov are quite damning:

The women are making them so the men are free to stop anyone escaping the building.

You totally ignore the fact pro Russians were engaged in this conflict in the first place, they were armed and shooting at the Ukrainians.
there are two sides to this story, not just one like you are trying and failing to portray

ubersonic · 6 May 2014 at 15:12

Nulir said:
You totally ignore the fact pro Russians were engaged in this conflict in the first place, they were armed and shooting at the Ukrainians.
there are two sides to this story, not just one like you are trying and failing to portray

Both sides may have been armed but it was the pro-EU mob that came looking for a fight and attacked a demonstration that until then had been peaceful, Revisionist history by yourself and western media can't change that.

Nerusy · 6 May 2014 at 15:20

This sockpupptary justifying murder of innocent people is quite laughable, I suppose you guys think maidan 100+ deaths was justified and has "two sides" to the story right? Pathetic double standards.

Nulir · 6 May 2014 at 15:30

Nerusy said:
This sockpupptary justifying murder of innocent people is quite laughable, I suppose you guys think maidan 100+ deaths was justified and has "two sides" to the story right? Pathetic double standards.

No one has justfied murder here

Nulir · 6 May 2014 at 15:32

ubersonic said:
Both sides may have been armed but it was the pro-EU mob that came looking for a fight and attacked a demonstration that until then had been peaceful, Revisionist history by yourself and western media can't change that.

Stop reading Russia Today

Parabellum · 6 May 2014 at 15:33

Personally I see no way forward for the Ukraine if It really wants to stay intact as one country... and I fear that the County will now have to Break up if I really wants a peaceful outcome... and not a civil war with the Russians on one side & the Americans on the other.

How is the Ukraine ever going to going to pacify the pro russian population?... It can't... Is there any other plausible answer.

Nulir · 6 May 2014 at 15:44

Parabellum said:
Personally I see no way forward for the Ukraine if It really wants to stay intact as one country... and I fear that the County will now have to Break up if I really wants a peaceful outcome... and not a civil war with the Russians on one side & the Americans on the other.

How is the Ukraine ever going to going to pacify the pro russian population?... It can't... Is there any other plausible answer.

Most Ukrainians want unity. Some Regions to the east wish for more autonomy but still to remain as part of the Ukraine.

A small number wish to break away using brute force.
Unfortunately Armed Pro Russian groups although a small in number are heavily armed and have backing from Russia

Zethor · 6 May 2014 at 15:47

Parabellum said:
Personally I see no way forward for the Ukraine if It really wants to stay intact as one country... and I fear that the County will now have to Break up if I really wants a peaceful outcome... and not a civil war with the Russians on one side & the Americans on the other.

How is the Ukraine ever going to going to pacify the pro russian population?... It can't... Is there any other plausible answer.

It can't break up, none of the regions in Ukraine have a Russian majority and if you break away regions with a high % of Russians you are left with a majority of 60-70% Ukrainians that are cut out from their home country.

What needs to happen is quite simple - elections. Any government that results from elections will have the authority to impose the rule of the law and there will be no valid arguments against it (hint: this is why Russia doesn't want elections now).

The elections obviously need to be organised under international observation, unlike the charade in Crimeea where it was revealed that just 15% of the voters were for the annexation of the peninsula by Russia.

Nulir · 6 May 2014 at 15:50

Zethor said:
It can't break up, none of the regions in Ukraine have a Russian majority and if you break away regions with a high % of Russians you are left with a majority of 60-70% Ukrainians that are cut out from their home country.

What needs to happen is quite simple - elections. Any government that results from elections will have the authority to impose the rule of the law and there will be no valid arguments against it (hint: this is why Russia doesn't want elections now).

The elections obviously need to be organised under international observation, unlike the charade in Crimeea where it was revealed that just 15% of the voters were for the annexation of the peninsula by Russia.

Omg there is that common sense thing again, shame there is not more of it here