Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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Interestingly mixed messages coming from Russian TV, as some call for war others call for abandoning the project:


If it was de-Nazification, a case may be made for withdrawal, but it is a land grab. Now with the embarrassment of losing a capital ship and hence the control of the Black Sea also, it is about revenge.
 
I'm thinking this forced default is merely to sugarcoat seizing Russian assets and giving it to Ukraine to mitigate the hit to their economy, though maybe that's overly aggressive?

Then again if Russia has already seized Western investments, then I suppose it would merely be recompense.
 
I'm thinking this forced default is merely to sugarcoat seizing Russian assets and giving it to Ukraine to mitigate the hit to their economy, though maybe that's overly aggressive?

Then again if Russia has already seized Western investments, then I suppose it would merely be recompense.
Their economy is already predicted to shrink by over 40%. There isn't much mitigation against that now unfortunately.
 
Their economy is already predicted to shrink by over 40%. There isn't much mitigation against that now unfortunately.

Well the frozen assets are bigger than Ukraine's entire GDP, so it would help... however the greater problem is the damaged infrastructure and lost industry which if Syria is anything to go by then it would likely take all of it to merely repair that.
 
Well the frozen assets are bigger than Ukraine's entire GDP, so it would help... however the greater problem is the damaged infrastructure and lost industry which if Syria is anything to go by then it would likely take all of it to merely repair that.
If Ukraine come out the other side of this conflict still under its own control, there is every chance their economy should eventually bounce back reasonably quick, with heavy western assisted rebuilding and development, will take time to recover back to where it was but definitely a good chance of light at the end of the tunnel.
They just need to resist China pushing in during the rebuild/redevelopment phase, as that would only be a short term win for long term pain.
 
So as I've been wondering for awhile it seems there may very well be some hints that the Donbas separatist's are getting annoyed at being used as meatbags to soak up UAF bullets/bombs/missiles and have started shooting at Russian forces instead.

Since it's unconfirmed I won't bother sourcing it, but hopefully it's true.
 
discovered this guy, he literally walks around mariupol. The scenes, my god they look like WW2

A lot of their comments seem to be Russian supporters, the fact they're letting him go about and interviewing people suggests to me their coverage may not be unbiased.

Yeah, Patrick Lancaster is little better than a Russian stooge, still as @Iraklis F.C. says the images themselves are striking. It's almost weird how they can simultaneously run this as pro-Russian propaganda while showing the scenes of devastation that exist solely because of Russian aggression. It takes a weird kind of double think.

So as I've been wondering for awhile it seems there may very well be some hints that the Donbas separatist's are getting annoyed at being used as meatbags to soak up UAF bullets/bombs/missiles and have started shooting at Russian forces instead.

These regions aren't really run by separatists, they're run by Russia. Russia has destroyed the economy and run them as fiefdoms for warlords. The soldiers are poorly trained, poorly equipped, and only there because they lack any other options. In return Russia has been throwing them at the Ukrainian forces in a manner akin to the most demented of WWI generals. I wouldn't be at all surprised to learn that some of the troops have decided to mutiny.
 
I was thinking the other, the impact on the environment from this conflict is it discussed anywhere? or is the environment out of the window already?
Well the war has accelerated Europe's long term move to renewables and nuclear power to get away from using Russian gas. An obvious major threat to the environment is the potential for careless bombardment around nuclear power stations like we saw in early March.
 
Well the war has accelerated Europe's long term move to renewables and nuclear power to get away from using Russian gas. An obvious major threat to the environment is the potential for careless bombardment around nuclear power stations like we saw in early March.

no i mean the impact of the war on the environment in Ukraine and neighboring countries. So much toxic smoke everywhere, sunken ships etc
 
I was thinking the other, the impact on the environment from this conflict is it discussed anywhere? or is the environment out of the window already?
I think there are more pressing issues for Ukraine, the environmental impact of the conflict will be something that isnt fully known till the conflict ends. Even then, it will be years until the true impact is known. However, there have already been signs of the negative effect on the area around Chernobyl, from disturbance of irradiated areas to the wildlife that became accustomed to a quiet life with limited human interaction or impact, nobody knows how much of an impact this has had on the belorussian side of the border.
As freddie said, there is also the positive side, where a realisation of reliance on oil and gas can be not only harmful to the environment but also the volitility of the economic side of it is harmful. Again the impact of this will only be known longterm.
 
I was thinking the other, the impact on the environment from this conflict is it discussed anywhere? or is the environment out of the window already?

Wouldn't be surprised if it was positive.

Suppressing industrial and commercial activity of a whole bunch of humans gives a lot more room for everything else.

MOD firing ranges are exceptional nature reserves despite the implication.
 
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