Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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Did those factories entirely rely on Russian made equipment? I never know how much weight to put on various sources, but I find this thread aligns with what I've read elsewhere.
Of course not, but neither do anybody's. I expect there's more overseas stuff (mostly Chinese) in a new European factory than Western stuff in a Russian factory. Does the UK manufacture ball bearings?
 
Looks like they might be getting some planes after all:


I really hope this is because a deal has been reached to protect Slovakia and Poland and both countries are able to send jets... I'm worried that it's just poor Slovakia sticking it's neck out, they were happy to supply a dozen IF the US provided them with air cover until they get new planes but I guess there is a possibility they could have decided to just unilaterally supply say 6 and then keep back 6 for their own air defence.

Ideally I'd love to see Ukraine get all 12 from Slovakia + some from Poland, I was a bit wary before but Russia isn't going to stop otherwise, I feel the best way to lower the risk now is to actually give Ukraine what we can to end this conflict ASAP. IF Russia is going to be dumb enough to attack NATO over something like this and risk all the rather worrying escalation that goes with that then that's an ongoing risk in the long run if this thing drags on anyway.

Did those factories entirely rely on Russian made equipment? I never know how much weight to put on various sources, but I find this thread aligns with what I've read elsewhere.

^^^ that, even the home made tractor was actually just a lego kit assembled in Russia.
 
Definitely a possibility given it would likely increase public support within Russia for the war.



I'm not convinced we will see Russia withdraw unless militarily utterly spent. As this drags on they'll likely reshape their military industrial capabilities to pump out basic model T-72s, BTRs, howitzers, Grads, SU-27 and 25, Mi-17 or whichever variant can be cheaply and quickly put together and thrown into combat along with increasing numbers of conscripts. The grinder will probably go on until the destruction of either Ukraine or Russia (unless Russian public turns wholesale against their leaders which is unlikely and/or Lavrov and Putin die without leaving a self-reinforcing legacy as I don't get the impression those below them have the same appetite if given free will) - not an appealing thought.

With a chance that if Russia was losing catastrophically of going nuclear as per doctrine.

EDIT: I get the feeling we are in for a long slog from here globally which is going to wear a lot of people's will down - this is likely not going to be an over by Christmas situation.

with which electronics? Which manufacturing materials?
 
with which electronics? Which manufacturing materials?


Do T-72's have electronics? If yes then probably T-55 instead - basically Russia will only be able to manufacture vehicles and weapons that don't use complicated electronic circuit boards.

it will be funny to see the Russian military industrial complex equipped with world war 2 era weapons fighting against modern electronic western warfare.

Tanks are one thing but what would be really funny is if Russia starts having to try and manufacture WW2 era planes as well
 
Looks like they might be getting some planes after all:


I really hope this is because a deal has been reached to protect Slovakia and Poland and both countries are able to send jets... I'm worried that it's just poor Slovakia sticking it's neck out, they were happy to supply a dozen IF the US provided them with air cover until they get new planes but I guess there is a possibility they could have decided to just unilaterally supply say 6 and then keep back 6 for their own air defence.

Ideally I'd love to see Ukraine get all 12 from Slovakia + some from Poland, I was a bit wary before but Russia isn't going to stop otherwise, I feel the best way to lower the risk now is to actually give Ukraine what we can to end this conflict ASAP. IF Russia is going to be dumb enough to attack NATO over something like this and risk all the rather worrying escalation that goes with that then that's an ongoing risk in the long run if this thing drags on anyway.



^^^ that, even the home made tractor was actually just a lego kit assembled in Russia.
What about some long range artillery so the Ukrainians can hit the Russians back or some Tanks so they can go on the offensive Anti Tank stuff like Javelins and NLAWS are ok for defence but we need to give them heavier weapons.
 
Russia can't even remotely hope to win such a war. Their comedy economy is incapable of making even the most basic of parts for these tanks, whilst Ukraine is backed by the entire Western world. The only possible hope they have is to get Chinese backing, but that doesn't come free. They'll be selling the family silver for a hope at getting slightly less humiliatingly battered. Russia fighting on their military industrial merits means a post-war Russia hollowed out from the inside with nothing to show for it.

Obviously, it's still a disaster for Ukraine but Russia gives not a snot about that.

Russia can either win some kind of mild victory relatively quickly, it can get utterly destroyed in a long war, or it can go nuclear and God alone knows how that goes. At each escalation things get worse for Russia but - like a drunk in Vegas - Putin may well decide that double-or-nothing is his only way out.
Putin my settle for Mariupol falling and his land bridge to Crimea and call that a victory i don't think he is going to get his win in the Donbas in time for Victory day parade in Moscow.
 
The planes donated are pretty much useless, I said it before but I posted on here weeks back an interview with a current Ukrainian pilot.

Russia planes or more so systems are way to advance over Ukraine planes they are getting shredded. They require more modern planes like f16 the pilot said they could learn to fly them in two weeks.
 
The planes donated are pretty much useless, I said it before but I posted on here weeks back an interview with a current Ukrainian pilot.

Russia planes or more so systems are way to advance over Ukraine planes they are getting shredded. They require more modern planes like f16 the pilot said they could learn to fly them in two weeks.

A foreign plane on its own is slightly more than worthless. It's why all the planes that have been yoinked by putin despite being leased from abroad will become increasingly suspect as time goes on.

Who's going to do the maintenance and supply parts to keep them going, that's a step further than bunging spare gear to them.
 
What about some long range artillery so the Ukrainians can hit the Russians back or some Tanks so they can go on the offensive Anti Tank stuff like Javelins and NLAWS are ok for defence but we need to give them heavier weapons.

Apparently US, UK and Canada are supplying that too now. I think some European countries already supplied some previously.
 
What about some long range artillery so the Ukrainians can hit the Russians back or some Tanks so they can go on the offensive Anti Tank stuff like Javelins and NLAWS are ok for defence but we need to give them heavier weapons.


In the last couple days American long range arty pieces have arrived and more on the way, US is sending a a couple billion dollars worth of M109A7 artillery and ammo for it with a max range of 40km on the stock barrel and 80km with the 58-caliber barrel
 
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The planes donated are pretty much useless, I said it before but I posted on here weeks back an interview with a current Ukrainian pilot.

Russia planes or more so systems are way to advance over Ukraine planes they are getting shredded. They require more modern planes like f16 the pilot said they could learn to fly them in two weeks.

Any MiG-29s donated by NATO countries are already retrofitted to take standard NATO weapons systems. And as for the the F-16 being 'modern', that airframe is 4 years older than the MiG-29.
 
The planes donated are pretty much useless, I said it before but I posted on here weeks back an interview with a current Ukrainian pilot.

Russia planes or more so systems are way to advance over Ukraine planes they are getting shredded. They require more modern planes like f16 the pilot said they could learn to fly them in two weeks.
They can be used to shot down cruise missiles and protect cities so not all that useless
 
Of course not, but neither do anybody's. I expect there's more overseas stuff (mostly Chinese) in a new European factory than Western stuff in a Russian factory.

That may, or may not be, true but the West absolutely can manufacture all of that stuff at scale without China - more expensive, etc., but we have manufacturing that can do it. Russia doesn't. More to the point: it's only Russia that's getting isolated in this way, so the comparison is irrelevant.

Does the UK manufacture ball bearings?

Yes. The bulk stuff isn't made here anymore, afaik, but the UK still makes high quality and specialist bearings competitively.
 
Any MiG-29s donated by NATO countries are already retrofitted to take standard NATO weapons systems. And as for the the F-16 being 'modern', that airframe is 4 years older than the MiG-29.
It’s more so the systems the planes carry. A 1970’s Jet such as an F16 fan easily be retrofitted with modern weapons systems and it only needs to be able to take off with them on board and then it can fire them from afar, whether that’s to engage far more modern jet planes or fire at ground targets.
 
**** poor standard of knowledge from the journalist, but nice to know we get out hands on this stuff.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/science/1597094/Russia-fighter-jet-putin-latest

This will be made easier by the discovery that the system - which, on paper, boasts the capability of spotting Nato's stealth aircraft 350 miles away - has many similarities to the F-35s, making it more easy to fully explore.

Sounds like a load more Russia ******** to me.
 
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