Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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I find it an odd contradiction, not that I expect any logic from Russia any more, that the West is leery to get too involved with Ukraine coz nukes, while Russia claims the West is gearing up to invade Russia...
 
Rroff said:
I find it an odd contradiction, not that I expect any logic from Russia any more, that the West is leery to get too involved with Ukraine coz nukes, while Russia claims the West is gearing up to invade Russia...
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Putin's nuke threat only matters if we also believe he will stop at Ukraine.

However, if we don't believe he will stop, then his nuke threat will need to be called at some point and sooner is arguably better than later.

Also, if Putin sees this threat as effective in this case, it will encourage him to continue invading other countries because the threat's effectiveness makes attacking other countries a lot easier.

I think we should expect Putin to continue until he is stopped by force and consider calling his bluff sonner rather than later.
 
alchal said:
Vast numbers of what? Overage men?
They have a plunging population as well so that will help them.....

If they want to throw conscripts with little training then more fool them, the world of mass Soviet troop assaults is long gone in the modern age.
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"It is vhy ve want to occupy ukraine comrade, lots of new conscripts ve can beat into shape for the new russian army!"

dLockers said:
Is this the subtle declaration of war?


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Sounds like a threat to be sure, how seriously anyone should take it is another matter but considering the warped logic of Putins justification for invasion this morning it sounds like intent.
 
Quite a convoy of Polish air-force CASA C-295s (and some Polish C-130s) flying out of Latvia (at least 8 probably more) - wonder what they are moving.
 
KRH have deployed to Poland PWRR are heading that way - theres 2 Divisions of Nato troops in Poland right now

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All combat ready C2`s are forward deployed , the entire fleet in back from storage (in Canada) with those ready sent to Germany a few weeks ago for forward deployment; the wagons left in the uk are being worked up as they can.

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QRH are fully deployed in Finland, KRH in Poland and RTR in Estonia.
 
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firstborn said:
I know where I'd put my money in a collection of overage conscripts versus the battled hardened experts of this thread scenario...
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I'd rather put my money on people on this forum having received Basic training from the British army than recalled over age russian conscripts.
 
Harlequin said:
All combat ready C2`s are forward deployed , the entire fleet in back from storage (in Canada) with those ready sent to Germany a few weeks ago for forward deployment; the wagons left in the uk are being worked up as they can.
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We have none combat ready on our own shores?
 
Rroff said:
We have none combat ready on our own shores?
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There isnt as many in a good condition as led to believe; the on paper strength is just that. As with the Russian loses, the wagans with all the upgrades and in good repair are the ones gone out ; the older but useable ones were in Estonia (but have now been replaced by the ones the RTR are using) and are being rotated back to the UK. Look at the photos ; lack of ERA packs, the older cupola`s etc . As with Russian kit, the UK doesnt have as much of the latest `bolt on `stuff as we think. Its used and deployed as needed.

Rroff

click the photo and play spot the difference between the 2 tanks:

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UK's 1st Battalion Royal Welsh takes over as NATO's eFP unit leader

The British Army's 1st Battalion, The Royal Welsh took over as the lead unit of the NATO enhanced Forward Presence (eFP) Battlegroups in Estonia on Friday.
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alchal said:
Vast numbers of what? Overage men?
They have a plunging population as well so that will help them.....

If they want to throw conscripts with little training then more fool them, the world of mass Soviet troop assaults is long gone in the modern age.
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There's no need for any other countries to join NATO then, if the Russian military are so weak, there's surely no need to poke the "impotent" bear further? I assume you are now confident Russia poses no threat and any alternative strategies against the west or Ukraine using vast numbers of conscripts on the job is risible?

If, God forbid, somewhere like Germany with their recent sudden rise in their young male Far East population is called upon to face Russia militarily, are you confident these young males will throw heart and soul into defending their newly adopted motherland, because i am most certainly not?

To a lesser extent the same goes for the UK. A lot of ill trained conscripts versus a lot of young men with no real feeling of attachment to their new or even multi generational home would be an interesting scenario. But hey, I admit military strategy is something I am totally ignorant of, but a gut feeling tells me a too Cavalier attitude to Russia's capabilities could be foolish. Has the UK seen any recent rise in the number of people joining the military to indicate a desire to train to defend their country? Such figures might mock or justify my concerns.
 
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alchal said:
I'd rather put my money on people on this forum having received Basic training from the British army than recalled over age russian conscripts.
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60% the forum would blub after 2 weeks and go home, 20% would be incapable of passing the BFT so that leaves 20% of maybe with a attitude problem :)
 
Scougar said:
Old soldier vs untrained newbs. I would put my money on old soldiers.
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Depends how old and how fit, I’m 42 and yes you never forget the basics and never forget how to shoot, but in a firefight I would be nowhere near fit enough now and probably more of a liability than an asset. Policing already occupied areas would be fine, but putting old men (no matter if they served or not) on the front line would be a disaster.
 
woppy101 said:
Depends how old and how fit, I’m 42 and yes you never forget the basics and never forget how to shoot, but in a firefight I would be nowhere near fit enough now and probably more of a liability than an asset. Policing already occupied areas would be fine, but putting old men (no matter if they served or not) on the front line would be a disaster.
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Combat (without previous experience) is one part having the training to know how to react, one part having the presence of mind to carry out your training. Fitness and weapon familiarity is one thing but all bets are off once stuff starts flying.

It is interesting comparing some of the videos of VDV, etc. in comparison to Ukrainian forces who've had a bit of training with Western instructors in their first bit of contact.
 
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