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Whatever way you look at this (even as a funding exercise) a chilling speech


(My guess is they have serious, very not optimistic, projections with regard to Kaliningrad)
 
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Yep, if he doesn’t pick up NATO salesman of the year, then the competition is a Fix

Yeah hes single handedly expanded NATO.


My main concern is that it looks like this war is going to last longer than thought. And what happens when west starts to see its own citizens dieing due to cold winters? National backing of the Ukraine at all costs will quickly die away.
 
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I feel like Ukraine are still well in the game, but how long can they sustain it? It just feels to me (maybe wrongly) that Russia can go on like this for years if it wishes and won't really care.. Will Ukraine simply run out of steam and will the west run out of will to keep supplying them with gear?

If anything Russia is going to be struggling, they're running out of (new) equipment, guided missiles etc.. they're already having to resort to much older tanks now in the south... the narrative a little while ago was that those old tanks would only be used in rear areas, doesn't seem to be the case now.

Ukraine has hit Russia's logistics well, ammo depots in the east being blown up seems to have had an impact. Russia has barely taken any ground in the East and that's literally their main effort right now, they're throwing most of their forces into that area for minimal gains.
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My response clearly laughs at your claim.

That's because you'\re being deliberately obtuse and need to look at the maps again and pay attention to what you're replying to.

Russian gains in the East are eclipsed by their losses in the south, they've also lost all the ground they took in the North, they're objectively losing ground overall.

In the end Dowie made a mistake, he said overall when he obviously didn't mean overall. We don't need to spend 3 pages discussing it. Move on.

No I didn't, there is no mistake there see above. People are ignoring context here (perhaps deliberately in the case of Amnesia).

The other poster was referring to when things were going well and Russia was being beaten back... if that's the reference then no, Russia has been losing ground in Ukraine.

This is the claim (note Amnesia edited it when he quoted it to remove context - because he's dishonest and seems to be interested in trolling this thread, the person he quoted referred to a couple of months ago - that's the reference. Russia has been losing ground overall - that's objectively true simply by looking at a map)

More delusion, you do seem to have Amnesia, Russians were close to Kyiv, much closer to Kharkiv a few weeks ago, they had to flee from the North, were pushed back from Kharkiv.

Russia isn't gaining ground overall, they got severely beaten in the North and had to retreat, they've gained some ground in the East but that's been eclipsed by ground they've lost around Kherson and Kharkiv.
 
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In the end Dowie made a mistake, he said overall when he obviously didn't mean overall. We don't need to spend 3 pages discussing it. Move on.
It shouldn't have took 3 pages for someone to break away from the herd and just be honest....but do note even if for a small period of time you did have to break away from the herd to give your honest thoughts, your views were not aligned with the rest.

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the narrative a little while ago was that those old tanks would only be used in rear areas, doesn't seem to be the case now.

T-62Ms are quicker to turn around from storage to replace losses, but they still have vast amounts of T-80BV and T-72Bs in storage though the state of reserves is another matter again. Originally the T-62s were going to rear areas and LNR/DNR forces but seem to be cropping up on the front lines in the hands of Russian forces now probably as a stop gap until the more modern tanks can be put back into service.
 
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I suspect their corruption problem has meant they perhaps don't have as many T-80s available as people think, it was also inevitable that the T-62s were going to the front line despite the claims that they were going to be for rear area security etc.
 
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It shouldn't have took 3 pages for someone to break away from the herd and just be honest....but do note even if for a small period of time you did have to break away from the herd to give your honest thoughts, your views were not aligned with the rest.

You wouldn't know honesty if it slapped you in the face.
 
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I suspect their corruption problem has meant they perhaps don't have as many T-80s available as people think, it was also inevitable that the T-62s were going to the front line despite the claims that they were going to be for rear area security etc.
I've read because the war is effectively turning into trench warfare, the T-62's are just as viable for shooting at trenches from distance as their modern tanks, so why risk the modern stuff when the old stuff does just as good a job
 
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I've read because the war is effectively turning into trench warfare, the T-62's are just as viable for shooting at trenches from distance as their modern tanks, so why risk the modern stuff when the old stuff does just as good a job

That only really works when engaged in fairly static/defensive warfare though - which doesn't help Russia make progress.
 
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I've read because the war is effectively turning into trench warfare, the T-62's are just as viable for shooting at trenches from distance as their modern tanks, so why risk the modern stuff when the old stuff does just as good a job

The modern stuff that hasn't been deployed to this conflict or isn't allocated to regular units posted elsewhere is quite likely not in a good state of repair and/or has been stripped of some components.
 
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The lake is 500 meters from the mall with what looks like factories in between so it's interesting the debris and shockwave reached that far, must have been a big explosion

Looks like the factories were the target and not the mall
You could let the BBC know as they are devoting column inches to not saying there's a big factory next door that looks like it was the target.
 
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You could let the BBC know as they are devoting column inches to not saying there's a big factory next door that looks like it was the target.

This is why getting news from a range of sources is important... however it is somewhat academic given Russia seems prepared to carry out such strikes even when there is a high risk to civilians (and shown they are increasingly unconcerned about civilian casualties).
 
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I wonder how high the risk is that Poland decides to launch missiles or covert operations in Western Ukraine with the circumstance of a Belarusian invasion as there's more ambiguity involved there versus directly taking out Russian forces. If such an invasion were to fail as a result of that to the extent that Belarus has to retreat then that could be the end of Lukashenko and force Putin to commit even more resources to Belarus that he doesn't want to.
 
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