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Its being reported in multiple places.
"Currently, there is a fire on Snake Island, and explosions can be heard"
 

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Old news, near the start of this thread I said Mr. Ecclestone was on record saying President Putin should be in charge of the EU :)

Like me he is strongly Eurosceptic and feels the Ukraine situation could have been avoided or mitigated if Russia's genuine concerns about their neighbours ambitions had been addressed correctly.

Insensitive comments about the black power supporting F1 driver aside, Nelson was probably the finest balance of technically astute versus rapid pedalling driver F1 has ever seen, it'll take more than a politically incorrect description of Hamilton to sway my admiration of him ;)

He's just from an older generation like myself, who has not been cowed into hiding his real opinions, or into how to phrase them so as to make his words all but punchless.

If you think Nelson is bad don't have a few beers with Emerson Fittipaldi.... ;)

What a coincidence , most westerners supporting Putin have right wing views or are closet racists.
 
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30-Jun-2022 10:32:30 - Putin: Russia Is Open To Dialogue on Strategic Stability, Non-Proliferation
30-Jun-2022 10:32:41 - Putin: There Is No Other Definition for the Kiev Regime’s Actions Than Crimes Against Humanity
30-Jun-2022 10:34:39 - Putin: There Should Be No Discrimination Against Countries In The World
30-Jun-2022 10:35:17 - Putin: The Law Needs To Be Developed, But Now The Law Is Being Replaced By Directives And Some Countries Deliberately Abandon The Principles Of Humanitarianism And Justice
 
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With Snake island "liberated", the wheat supply is only waiting for Ukraine to clear mines in Odessa port.
Of course they have no capability or will to do that, so waiting to see what other excuse they think of.
 
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I wonder if their troops refused to be stationed there. It was a small area and a constant target. Nowhere to hide.

Quite possibly. Also resupplying was going to be harder given recent losses and sticking expensive air defence equipment on there only to be blown up by long-range missiles Ukraine has recently taken delivery of could get rather expensive and unsustainable too.
 
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Russia's Gazprom has chosen to not pay any dividend this year, the 1st time since 1998. The shares plunged by 30% on the news
 
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What are you talking about - care to explain?

If major food supplies are effected globally by Russia holding all Black sea ports how on earth do you get the Wheat out safely ?

Who enforces the no-fly zone? Presumably it would have to be absolute top of the line NATO jets like the F-22 and F-35 flown by NATO pilots so they could even operate "safely" in Ukraine, then if a Russian jet entered Ukraine we'd shoot it down. What do you think would happen then? I'll tell you, Russia would fire cruise missiles at the airbases that those planes are operating out of, this would then trigger article 5 of the NATO treaty meaning the alliance would consider itself under attack by Russia, NATO would then declare war on Russia.

I'm not being funny, but did you not consider the chain of events that might occur when you decide to shoot down a Russian jet? It could lead to a nuclear war which would be the worst thing that has ever happened on Earth since an asteroid wiped out the Dinosaurs.
 
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At this point, do Russia even know what they are doing?

So far they have made themselves look inept militarily, destroyed their economy and actually caused the EXPANSION of NATO.
 
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One solution is to buy more wheat from Russia. The alternative is probably to watch Russia selling it to countries which then become tacit supporters.

Another is negotiating a settlement between Ukraine and Russia that allows mine clearance and use of black sea ports. That one needs time and diplomacy.

I suppose a no-fly zone and thetefore full scale Russia/NATO war is another option, but not one I'd choose.

As I said and you eluded to it here were going to have to play nuclear poker with Putin one way or another . I just can’t see NATO not getting involved.
 
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30-Jun-2022 09:31:00 - Moscow Exchange: Holding Discrete Auction Of Gazprom Shares — IFX
30-Jun-2022 09:48:39 - Shares in Russia’s Gazprom Extend Fall to 32% After Discrete Auction

30-Jun-2022 09:37:33 - Russian Defence Ministry: Russian Forces Have Left the Snake Island In Black Sea — RIA
30-Jun-2022 09:38:59 - Russian Defence Ministry: By Withdrawing Troops From Snake Island Russia Demonstrates That It Does Not Hinder UN Efforts to Organise Corridor for Agricultural Products From Ukraine
30-Jun-2022 09:42:57 - Russian Defence Ministry: Russian Missiles Destroyed Ukrainian Military Control Centre Near Dnipro

30-Jun-2022 09:39:55 - Head of Ukraine President’s Office: Russian Forces Have Withdrawn From Snake Island
That's good news, hopefully they can now de-mine Odesa and with the aid of a UN/NATO naval escort start exporting grain to those who need it.
 
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That's good news, hopefully they can now de-mine Odesa and with the aid of a UN/NATO naval escort start exporting grain to those who need it.

That's going to need Turkey to allow warships through - which at the start of this they said they would not do and I've not seen anything since February to indicate a change in that stance.

No commercial grain shippers will operate there: the risks of being sunk by what Russia still has left in the Black Sea are too great, not to mention long range missiles fired from Russia whilst they're in the ports loading up.
 
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