Soldato
Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar
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Nice to way to introduce your longer range Himars if you happen to had been secretly given them
Was wondering about that, I think the F16 stuff was premature, the ground-launched thing was an option but it's pretty cool that they've obvs modified their MiGs or similar to fire these.
Yup, I don't know why they didn't have the longer-range ones already as the reasoning against it didn't stack up once it was announced that the US has to approve the targets anyway.
Soldato
Oooof thats going to be another keyboard the US are going to owe putin, hes gonna rage at that.
If they have enough of the good stuff then just about all the occupied lands will be at risk.
If only they had some hope of air superiority, Ukraine could genuinely kick them all out, they would be sitting ducks (just like Iraq war)
If they have enough of the good stuff then just about all the occupied lands will be at risk.
If only they had some hope of air superiority, Ukraine could genuinely kick them all out, they would be sitting ducks (just like Iraq war)
I don't know in general why the sophistication of the weapons given is always slowly incrementing, instead of just giving them everything from the start. I know one element is you need to train troops, but they could have started training troops on HIMARS right at the start for example.
I hope they have been given ATACMS, but that explosion could also be down to sabotage, Russia incompetence or even an aircraft that has snuck in somehow.
Caporegime
If Ukraine really do have access to HARM missiles it will have a significant impact. Russian counterbattery radar and AA sites will be have to be very wary about switching their radar on rather than just operating with relative impunity.
Would love to see them hit the Crimean bridge, thats one of Putins favourite infrastructure projects of the last decade. Would probably take quite a lot of ordnance mind you
Soldato
Talking about possibly neptune missiles converted for ground attack has a range of 280KM.
Caporegime
Indeed. But Russia has consistently shown that it has no respect for any such norms of behaviour.
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It's not a game of cricket...
Caporegime
No, it's a war. Countries have had norms of behaviour around warfare since forever. Actors who ignore such norms have been judged negatively for the same length of time. When, like Russia's unjustified invasion of Ukraine, the actor is entirely in the wrong in starting the conflict they tend to be judged even more harshly.
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Technology moves on, there are many, some here, who have long extolled the safety of nuclear reactors and hailed them as the future energy source for an ever expanding population. If they're that bloody impregnable and safe what's the worry 
The problem of course is they are not safe and are a prime military target and bargaining or threatening point. When a reactor is so used those who were crying out for more nuclear derived energy have a fit of the vapours.
The problem of course is they are not safe and are a prime military target and bargaining or threatening point. When a reactor is so used those who were crying out for more nuclear derived energy have a fit of the vapours.
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Because if you can do with low tech, why risk high tech falling into enemy hands ?
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Also use the old crap before it goes too far past its sell by date.
Ukraine is forcing Russia to pay a massive price for this adventure.
I guess it's plausible it was an accident too, though that's seeming more like Russian denial:
Would be good to see the bridge attacked... wonder if that would cause a small exodus of Russian civilians from Crimea if attacks there were to be ramped up.
Would be good to see the bridge attacked... wonder if that would cause a small exodus of Russian civilians from Crimea if attacks there were to be ramped up.
Soldato
Hitting into Crimea is definitely fair game, even if they can't direct some missiles into Russia more directly.
I hope they can hit the bridge as well because that will definitely hit the supply logistics.
I hope they can hit the bridge as well because that will definitely hit the supply logistics.
Soldato
Wonder if Sevastopol will come into range.
Base of the ruskie black sea fleet, will be some really juicy targets in there at times
Base of the ruskie black sea fleet, will be some really juicy targets in there at times
Soldato
Caporegime
Because most of the difficulty of using advanced weapons is in logistics: supply chains, trained technicians, and organisation of ammo, spares, etc. Take the Abrams tank, for example, not only does it require an enormous amount of support, it's actually too heavy for Ukrainian bridges so you also need to upgrade actual infrastructure to deploy it.
Which is one reason that man portable weapons like Javelins, etc. were a major part of the early and pre-war support effort: they don't have the same need for complex infrastructure, logistics, or training.
Since Ukraine isn't NATO and, frankly, not seen as that reliable or stable an ally, the stuff they were being provided with before the war wasn't ever going to be top tier. You don't want that stuff ending up on the Russian side. So the West wasn't prepared to offer this stuff or even the preparation for this stuff before things escalated this year.
Yeah, as soon as they showed they weren’t going to fold, their government stayed in control and crucially they’ve taken steps to remove as much Russian infiltration in their ranks as possible the quality of the weaponry has stepped up to match.
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