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Russia says West's commercial satellites could be targets​



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Russia warns West: We can target your commercial satellites

A senior Russian foreign ministry official said that commercial satellites from the United States and its allies could become legitimate targets for Russia if they were involved in the war in Ukraine.
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Lots of Russian government planes leaving Russia - not sure what that is about, quite a few heading to Kazakhstan and also Kazakhstan air force planes flying from Moscow back to Kazakhstan. I know there is ongoing meetings with the EU in Kazakhstan but not sure of what other diplomatic/political events are ongoing.
 
Mrwong said:

Russia says West's commercial satellites could be targets​



www.reuters.com

Russia warns West: We can target your commercial satellites

A senior Russian foreign ministry official said that commercial satellites from the United States and its allies could become legitimate targets for Russia if they were involved in the war in Ukraine.
www.reuters.com www.reuters.com
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Pretty sure the US acknowledges any attack on its satellites as an act of war, one worth a nuclear response at that.

Not happening, then.
 
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Nope.
Tephnos said:
Pretty sure the US acknowledges any attack on its satellites as an act of war, one worth a nuclear response at that.

Not happening, then.
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I'd be absolutely amazed if the US would even threaten using nuclear weapons in response, as per response to the current Russian posture it would be suicide.

The most likely outcome would be the US would target all Russian military's assets outside of Russia.
 
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Rroff said:
I disagree with these commentators who say Bakhmut has little military/strategic value - albeit hopefully Ukraine has transitioned away from using it as a hub for logistics in that area so there is less value in taking it in that respect but Russia needs it for its road and crucially rail connections to bring up supplies to enable their further movement into Ukraine in that region - without it they are pretty much stalled in that region anyhow. Losing it would also mean Ukraine has to use less ideal routes for moving forces and supplies in response to Russian movements against the region. (IMO people are using far too much Western military logic to interpret Russia's actions).

Though even taking the city Russia's problems don't end there as to the north and west sides of it there is higher ground which significantly favours the defenders making it a pain to hold or push out from without overwhelming force.
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I believe the point of taking Bakhmut was it would allow Russia to use it as a springboard to take the big towns of Kramatorsk and Slovyansk which would give them complete control over the Donetsk oblast and they could go back to Russian public and say 'mission accomplished' if they wished. Bakhmut however has been thorn in the side of Russia and they've bled a lot of blood (maybe 4 to 8 thousand dead according to unofficial sources) just trying to get to the outskirts of the town which isn't even meant to be the the main objective (re Kramatorsk and Slovyansk).

At this stage it's fantasy the Russians could take the rest of Donetsk. This leaves the battle around Bakhmut as a purely political game (played with the life's of real people) and a blatant power grab by Dmitry Utkin Yevgeniy Prigozhin who probably hopes he can replace Sergei Shoigu. By showing Putin he's still capable of attacking and winning where Shoigu is the one who is getting beaten and routed and he should be given operational responsibility for the war effort.
 
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Angilion said:
It doesn't matter if some people notice, for 3 reasons:

i) Many people in Russia won't notice because they don't have access to information other than what their rulers tell them.
ii) Repeating lies is an effective tool in politics. Repeat a lie often enough and often an increasing number of people will believe it.
iii) Almost everyone who does notice will already know that it's a threat rather than a statement of truth. Putin is threatening to use nukes and stating what excuse he'll use for doing so.
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Yep, classic Russia, just throw out tons of explanations, no matter how ridiculous or pathetic, just to muddy the water. It's just noise.
 
Busy day for ISR missions - for some reason got a Rivet Joint, ARTEMIS and a SIGINT EP-3 running up and down the Moldova border.
 
Ali195 said:
Yep, classic Russia, just throw out tons of explanations, no matter how ridiculous or pathetic, just to muddy the water. It's just noise.
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Nothing for me beats the time when a Russian administrator was trying to explain to a party from the IAEA that a shell had landed in the ground had somehow spun around in mid-air just prior to hitting the ground and that was why it was angled as if it had been fired by the Russians :o
 
Freddie1980 said:
I believe the point of taking Bakhmut was it would allow Russia to use it as a springboard to take the big towns of Kramatorsk and Slovyansk which would give them complete control over the Donetsk oblast and they could go back to Russian public and say 'mission accomplished' if they wished. Bakhmut however has been thorn in the side of Russia and they've bled a lot of blood (maybe 4 to 8 thousand dead according to unofficial sources) just trying to get to the outskirts of the town which isn't even meant to be the the main objective (re Kramatorsk and Slovyansk).

At this stage it's fantasy the Russians could take the rest of Donetsk. This leaves the battle around Bakhmut as a purely political game (played with the life's of real people) and a blatant power grab by Dmitry Utkin who probably hopes he can replace Sergei Shoigu. By showing Putin he's still capable of attacking and winning where Shoigu is the one who is getting beaten and routed and he should be given operational responsibility for the war effort.
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Without Lyman/Izyum there is very little point in trying to take Kramatorsk/Slovyansk.
 
Senior Chinese Diplomat Wang Yi:
- Any Attempt to Block China and Russia Moving Forward Will Never Succeed
- China Willing to Deepen Relationships With Russia in All Levels
- It Is Legitimate Right of China, Russia to Realise Their Development, Revitalisation
 
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Senior Chinese Diplomat Wang Yi:
- Any Attempt to Block China and Russia Moving Forward Will Never Succeed
- China Willing to Deepen Relationships With Russia in All Levels
- It Is Legitimate Right of China, Russia to Realise Their Development, Revitalisation
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That doesn't sound good.

China suddenly supporting the Russian war would be devastating for Ukraine.
 
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Senior Chinese Diplomat Wang Yi:
- Any Attempt to Block China and Russia Moving Forward Will Never Succeed
- China Willing to Deepen Relationships With Russia in All Levels
- It Is Legitimate Right of China, Russia to Realise Their Development, Revitalisation
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I kind of think this is largely miss-reported. From everything China says, they just want to get along with all sides. Of course that may not be possible, but I think their support for Russia could be seen as just a failure to choose sides.
 
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