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Jono8 said:
It isn't just about nukes. If NATO forces get involved, that will likely lead to a larger scale conventional war.

The best way, for the moment, is to help Ukraine repel the invasion by themselves.
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It seems NATO forces are directly involved already, and have been caught out. IMO this opens another avenue for Russia to gain further support for their operations from Russians and their sympathisers / those on the fence.
 
Jono8 said:
It isn't just about nukes. If NATO forces get involved, that will likely lead to a larger scale conventional war.

The best way, for the moment, is to help Ukraine repel the invasion by themselves.
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I'm not sure it would to be honest - Russia has exhausted much of what they can get into battle in the short term - they can keep dragging stuff up to throw at Ukraine but it wouldn't last days against even the US let alone NATO including the US. What has been held back of the regular armed forces I highly doubt would be sent into Ukraine - Putin will only utilise them in defence of Russia and/or more pertinently himself. Russia would need to significantly ramp up industry to be able to meet NATO on the battlefield over Ukraine and are at least 2-3 years of production away from doing that - not to mention raising and training the man power - it would all be over before then.

There is a chance China might see it as the West being distracted, maybe even what they hoped for, and initiate some kind of action against Taiwan and other potential conflict areas including maybe even taking parts of Russia - though like with direct NATO troops on the ground in Ukraine that is still rolling the dice on whether Russia would feel they have to resort to a nuclear response if only tactical.
 
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Roar87 said:
I don't think I could credit the Chinese with that much forward planning
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Really? Then you aren't paying attention. Long term strategical planning is one thing the Chinese do have over us, a byproduct of having a totalitarian Govt that hasn't got to worry about being replaced every few years with elections.
 
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Freakbro said:
Really? Then you aren't paying attention. Long term strategical planning is one thing the Chinese do have over us, a byproduct of having a totalitarian Govt that hasn't got to worry about being replaced every few years with elections.
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Correct and a most significant point. It's what Xi is banking on in his quest to usurp the USA.
 
Roar87 said:
Listen, as much as Ukraine is fighting a defensive war on it's own sovereign territory, they have also committed the same kind of atrocities. Both sides are treating each other like animals. That's what war does to people.
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Can't remember any Russians being beheaded and put on a spike.

Or child abduction by the Ukrainian government.

Or flattening cities to dust

Or bombing shelters clearly marked as having children inside.




So quit the BS eh
 
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Chris Wilson said:
It seems NATO forces are directly involved already, and have been caught out. IMO this opens another avenue for Russia to gain further support for their operations from Russians and their sympathisers / those on the fence.
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The fact a country is a member of NATO does not make them NATO forces IMO.
NATO forces would be when some specific action from NATO themselves, such as supporting a NATO member who was attacked as opposed to simply some force from a NATO member being elsewhere.

They hold NATO exercises which we partake in but every exercise we undertake is not by default a NATO one.

I mean in the same respect we don't automatically assign every action to being UN action whilst we are members of the UN.
 
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Freakbro said:
Really? Then you aren't paying attention. Long term strategical planning is one thing the Chinese do have over us, a byproduct of having a totalitarian Govt that hasn't got to worry about being replaced every few years with elections.
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There is a big difference especially in terms of flexibility with how China and the West plan ahead. I actually worry somewhat lately that the West is blindly believing that China will fall inline with Western expectations/ways of thinking with the challenges ahead while they might already be going down a path of approaching things differently - potentially harmful to the West whether trying to bring the West down to their level via covert means or direct conflict.
 
Rroff said:
I don't see COVID's usefulness as a weapon though it may have been part of a bioweapon research program and unintentionally escaped. Although it does have potential as either a litmus to gauge response (though then you potentially put the potential targets on alert) or as a real world study of the spread.

Personally I'm on the fence - there are too many unexplained gaps in either man-made or natural origin but personally I'd err on the side of it being an accidental release if there is a lab component involved.

Tin foil hat moment but with the early spread of COVID and the way at points it seemed to have a hand along I see parallels with the hallmarks of the supposed North Korean group behind the spread of certain malware especially the worming behaviour of Wannacry.
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Indeed.

Incompetence>malice

China (or anyone else) had nothing to gain from an intentional release, so that theory makes little sense.
 
Sankari said:
The mentality on the other side of the war:


Utterly deranged.
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I didnt think like this before but now I truly believe that Ukraine need to punish Russian cities.

Its time to show the Russian people what its like to be on the end of an endless stream of missiles.

I know this isn't a popular choice but the only way to stop this war is for |Russians cities to be part of it.

Putin want lo level Ukraine it needs a similar response.
 
Rroff said:
I also disagree that it is similar to a cold for most people - while it might appear superficially true the virus can infect cells all over the body and does far more damage the longer term consequences for many people will be more than just a cold - as a similar comparison most people lose their sense of smell with a cold due to congestion and it clears up within a week while with COVID it actually attacks and in some cases destroys cells/nerves in the olfactory system often taking weeks to recover with a chance of permanent partial or total loss of the sense.
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I only had cold like symptoms when I got covid but ever since then I have had Tinnitus

Its a known side effect of covid and it looks like I may have it for good. Its got to the stage whilst I know its still there but I now see it as white noise so don't really notice it much.

Its level also varies significantly from barely audible to really loud, but I whatever level I have manage to ignore it, its been a few months now but I'm hopeful it will one day go away.
 
Mercenary Keyboard Warrior said:
The fact a country is a member of NATO does not make them NATO forces IMO.
NATO forces would be when some specific action from NATO themselves, such as supporting a NATO member who was attacked as opposed to simply some force from a NATO member being elsewhere.

They hold NATO exercises which we partake in but every exercise we undertake is not by default a NATO one.

I mean in the same respect we don't automatically assign every action to being UN action whilst we are members of the UN.
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Russians and their supporters will not take such a magnanimous view, rest assured, the west have given them some excellent propaganda fodder by allowing these supposed top secret documents to be stolen and published.
 
Jono8 said:
It isn't just about nukes. If NATO forces get involved, that will likely lead to a larger scale conventional war.

The best way, for the moment, is to help Ukraine repel the invasion by themselves.
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With who? If NATO got involved it would be over in a week, Christ Russia cant even take Bachmut and have no advances anywhere in Ukraine since the initial invasion

The Nuke threat is all Russia has to keep NATO at arms length and that's all it needs but Russia cant fight a conventional war with NATO, not even close.
 
Stumble Bum said:
^ Nonsense.

A bit like every single one of your posts.
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Of course Ukraine has executed Russian soldiers and tortured prisoners of war, this isn't a secret, it's just not in the news in the West.

Makiivka surrender incident - Wikipedia

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12 Russian soldiers shot in the back of the head after they surrendered, that's just one quick example. Admittedly the Russians are no doubt worse and they're the one's who started the conflict.
 
bris said:
With who? If NATO got involved it would be over in a week, Christ Russia cant even take Bachmut and have no advances anywhere in Ukraine since the initial invasion

The Nuke threat is all Russia has to keep NATO at arms length and that's all it needs but Russia cant fight a conventional war with NATO, not even close.
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NATO got involved with a skirmish in the Balkans and buggered about to no effect, I have as much faith in EU NATO members, US under a decent, none senile president aside, as in the local girl guides.
 
Chris Wilson said:
Russians and their supporters will not take such a magnanimous view, rest assured, the west have given them some excellent propaganda fodder by allowing these supposed top secret documents to be stolen and published.
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Russian sympathisers will be everywhere. There will certainly some in the US, as in the UK.

We wont know for sure if there is deliberate misinformation in there as well.

Pro Tip : Russia do not need any evidence in regards propaganda they simply make it up when they need it.
 
Chris Wilson said:
NATO got involved with a skirmish in the Balkans and buggered about to no effect, I have as much faith in EU NATO members, US under a decent, none senile president aside, as in the local girl guides.
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Trump isn't in office any longer luckily so no senility right now. ;) But we may see a repeat of loony tunes in charge if he gets his way.
Just a man who really is too old doing the job.
 
Mercenary Keyboard Warrior said:
Trump isn't in office any longer luckily so no senility right now. ;) But we may see a repeat of loony tunes in charge if he gets his way.
Just a man who really is too old doing the job.
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I never mentioned Mr. Trump. Personally I thnk he's a little too old now, although in no way would I consider him even close to senile.
 
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Chris Wilson said:
NATO got involved with a skirmish in the Balkans and buggered about to no effect
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You misspelled 'ended a war and stopped a genocide.'

Chris Wilson said:
I have as much faith in EU NATO members, US under a decent, none senile president aside, as in the local girl guides.
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If NATO is so impotent, why is Russia so scared of it?
 
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