Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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Chris Wilson said:
I never mentioned Mr. Trump. Personally I thnk he's a little too old now, although in no way would I consider him even close to senile.
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You didn't mention Trump but I assumed thats who you were referring to and were not going down the weak Biden is senile rubbish. I rate your mental reasoning higher than those that do that ;)

Have you listened to a Trump speech, or better looked at one transcribed?
If not senile then there is some other mental illness because its not how anyone "all there mentally" talks; hence I figured you were referring to the last Potus who was unable to string sense together, ie Trump. I had assumed you were not going as far back as George W who was the last mentally challenged pre Trump. :)
 
bris said:
With who? If NATO got involved it would be over in a week, Christ Russia cant even take Bachmut and have no advances anywhere in Ukraine since the initial invasion

The Nuke threat is all Russia has to keep NATO at arms length and that's all it needs but Russia cant fight a conventional war with NATO, not even close.
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No, I too think Russia would be embarrassed by a conventional war with NATO, but there would still be a massive amount of bloodshed.
 
Roar87 said:
Of course Ukraine has executed Russian soldiers and tortured prisoners of war, this isn't a secret, it's just not in the news in the West.

Makiivka surrender incident - Wikipedia

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12 Russian soldiers shot in the back of the head after they surrendered, that's just one quick example. Admittedly the Russians are no doubt worse and they're the one's who started the conflict.
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a group of surrendering soldiers where 1 open fires at the captors so the captors open fire in return? That video?
 
Mercenary Keyboard Warrior said:
You didn't mention Trump but I assumed thats who you were referring to and were not going down the weak Biden is senile rubbish.
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Biden spells out what's at stake in Ukraine as conflict marks 1 year

ABC News' David Muir sat down with President Joe Biden as the U.S. announced a new round of sanctions against Russia and additional military aid to Ukraine.W...
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That's the latest interview I could find of Biden, because he hardly does any, but this is painful viewing at times. Also clearly cut and edited.
 
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Roar87 said:
The Russian soldiers killed were laying face drone in the prone position, are you seriously defending an execution?
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The 1 single example you can find which has some questionable footage where the Russians weren't exactly surrendering as one stepped out and opens fire vs Russians literally posting beheading and castration videos.

I really am struggling to see your point here. I don't really know why you're trying so hard to justify the way Russia is acting.

If our troops were shown beheading someone I think we'd be very interested in finding them and charging them via court martial ourselves. Russia would probably just retweet it.
 
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Stumble Bum said:
The best example you could find is one of self defence. *Slow clap*
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On 25 November the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights Volker Türk said: "Our Monitoring Mission in Ukraine has conducted a preliminary analysis indicating that these disturbing videos are highly likely to be authentic in what they show" and called on the Ukrainian authorities to investigate the allegations of summary executions of Russian prisoners of war "in a manner that is – and is seen to be – independent, impartial, thorough, transparent, prompt and effective."
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This is what the UN said. I said it's just one example I quickly found, not the best or only example I could find. If I went and found a load of examples and pasted them here I'd be a Russian sympathiser xD
 
Roar87 said:
www.youtube.com

Biden spells out what's at stake in Ukraine as conflict marks 1 year

ABC News' David Muir sat down with President Joe Biden as the U.S. announced a new round of sanctions against Russia and additional military aid to Ukraine.W...
www.youtube.com www.youtube.com

That's the latest interview I could find of Biden, because he hardly does any, but this is painful viewing at times. Also clearly cut and edited.
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Its painful? I watched the first 5 minutes and other than stopping himself and clarifying I'm struggling to see what was painful. Is it painful for you because he speaks like an adult and doesnt repeat everything twice like Trump, did you need that repeat of everything as he went? ;)
I mean compared to Trump he is a orator genius.

He does plenty, its just that unlike Trump who would manage to turn every conference into mememe and nonsense much of what Biden talks about its not newsworthy in the UK
Go back pre trump and you would have press levels similar to Biden.
Honestly this is weak sauce even for you.
 
Roar87 said:
This is what the UN said. I said it's just one example I quickly found, not the best or only example I could find. If I went and found a load of examples and pasted them here I'd be a Russian sympathiser xD
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So your claim was wrong then. Ukraine aren't doing anywhere near the sort of atrocities that the Russians are committing.

Trying to put Ukrainian ethics in the same bracket as the Russians is probably why no one values your opinion.
 
alchal said:
Can't remember any [bad things done by Ukraine]
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Although the discussion went into personal attacks again, I think this is an important point

Why would one not remember?

This could be one of three reasons
1. There genuinely were no atrocities committed by one side in a bloody war, a first in history of wars and atrocities.
2. One is not told about it by media
3. One is selectively blocking out information to avoid cognitive dissonance (from conflict with internal representation of situation formed by 2).

Never forget that there is information war going on and short of going to the front lines, you are not getting 100% truth from any media source.
 
Mercenary Keyboard Warrior said:
Its painful? I watched the first 5 minutes and other than stopping himself and clarifying I'm struggling to see what was painful. Is it painful for you because he speaks like an adult and doesnt repeat everything twice like Trump, did you need that repeat of everything as he went? ;)
I mean compared to Trump he is a orator genius.

He does plenty, its just that unlike Trump who would manage to turn every conference into mememe and nonsense much of what Biden talks about its not newsworthy in the UK
Go back pre trump and you would have press levels similar to Biden.
Honestly this is weak sauce even for you.
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I honestly don't understand how you can watch the same piece of video I just did where an old man is struggling to form coherent sentences and think he's doing a good job. He doesn't answer questions in press conferences for a reason, the interview before this I could find was done 6 months ago. He's quite obviously not someone who should be running the country.
 
Stumble Bum said:
The best example you could find is one of self defence. *Slow clap*
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Exactly, if this is the best he can do for "Ukranians are just as bad", then he is nothing but an idiot. Perfidy is against the Geneva Convention and is a war crime. The chances of those surrendering Russians not knowing one of their buddies was nearby with a gun, is zero. One of them could have shouted a warning to the Ukranians, or to their associate to put down the weapon and surrender.

Reminds of a close relative telling me about clearing a north Italian village at the closing stages of WWII. Some German SS surrendered and one of them produced a stick grenade, which he threw at my relative's squad, killing one and injuring another as they dove for cover. Needless to say all the Germans were executed under the terms of the "Geneva Convention". The war ended a few weeks later and those Germans knew they were losing.

I don't doubt for a second Ukranian's are committing war crimes, but when it is against known rapists, murderers etc, it is no wonder. Had the Russian's not committed many attrocities and war crimes, I doubt it would have escalated this bad.
 
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Roar87 said:
I honestly don't understand how you can watch the same piece of video I just did where an old man is struggling to form coherent sentences and think he's doing a good job. He doesn't answer questions in press conferences for a reason, the interview before this I could find was done 6 months ago. He's quite obviously not someone who should be running the country.
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you, alone, see an old man struggling to form coherent sentences, whereas the other 6 billion people on this planet watched the USA president answering questions in an interview in a diplomatic and considered fashion.
 
Roar87 said:
I honestly don't understand how you can watch the same piece of video I just did where an old man is struggling to form coherent sentences and think he's doing a good job. He doesn't answer questions in press conferences for a reason, the interview before this I could find was done 6 months ago. He's quite obviously not someone who should be running the country.
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You truly amaze me at times. Hes old, he speaks like an old person (so does Trump now btw) and its not incoherent at all. He clearly stops and changes to clarify at times, as what he was going to say was unclear.
Lots of people do that when adlibing in effect.

Like I said read a trump transcript and it makes as little sense as it did live. Bidens would be better, not perfect no, very very few people can honestly immediately start talking unprompted in advance and not need to stop and clarify
Look at people like Truss etc they do the same.
 
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Harlequin said:
A solider came out of a building firing a machine gun , are you seriously saying soldiers , in a war, shouldn`t defend themselves?
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I think 12 soldiers were laying on the ground having already surrendered, one man came out firing, and as a result the rest of the soldiers seemed to have been executed. I think it's only beneficial to Russian propaganda to claim it's an act of self defense.

I don't think this is worth discussing further as it's just an irrelevant tangent, I don't think Ukraine is committing atrocities on the same level as Russia, but it is naïve to think that Ukraine haven't also treated Russian soldiers brutally, as anyone familiar with this type of warfare would expect. This isn't exactly a hearts and minds operation.
 
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