Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

BananaDunka · 1 Mar 2022 at 23:34

Some of the Q&As on this were very good. Worth a watch to learn some insight into all this from people that have expert experience.

delta0 · 1 Mar 2022 at 23:34

Semple said:
Does sound like more fake news. I really do hope Ukraine aren't following on these dirty propaganda tactics as that's exactly what Russia would do.

We’ll get the estimates tomorrow. They did take out a lot yesterday so it’s not unreasonable but right to be suspicious at the moment

wildman · 1 Mar 2022 at 23:34

platinum87 said:
So you not see that Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, are borders with Russia.

there are no US nuclear bases in those countries..........

Turn · 1 Mar 2022 at 23:36

*Mastercard Adheres to the Necessary Russian Requirements.
*Mastercard: Revenue From Russia-Related Businesses Accounted for Around 4% of Total Revenue.

Source:
https://twitter.com/idreesali114/status/1498802644969824262
https://twitter.com/phildstewart/status/1498802117833805827

Turn · 1 Mar 2022 at 23:37

*Boeing Suspended Parts, Maintenance and Technical Support Services for Russian Airlines – Politico Reporter Tweet

Source: https://twitter.com/LeeHudson_/status/1498783931629408256

NickK · 1 Mar 2022 at 23:37

Scougar said:
Getting crazy in Russia. It is going full bore back to communism right now. Banning everything and everyone that doesn't agree with the war/Pootin.

Russia citizens even if they haven't posted online are getting visits from the police saying things like "we heard you don't agree with the government".

Part of the benefits that Putin wanted I suspect.

just gives me the chills now the government here is copying the same trend.

Rroff · 1 Mar 2022 at 23:37

"Russia is expected to seize Kyiv in the next 4-6 weeks. The war overall is likely to last 10 or 15 or 20 years and “ultimately, Russia will lose” - US officials speaking to CBS and Congress"

Not sure I'd agree with that assessment - as long as the defenders are well prepared and willing they could hold Kyiv easily 4-6 weeks or more unless Russia commits far more to the fight. But on the other hand I don't see the war dragging out beyond maybe 2-3 years - once (if) the major urban areas are taken and larger organised military groups dispersed or defeated it will likely die down very quickly - much of those West leaning will then start to move out the country IMO with only a limited insurgency.

EDIT: The other option is they never fully take Kyiv and it turns into a protracted conflict zone without huge taking of territory by either side.

Dis86 · 1 Mar 2022 at 23:38

platinum87 said:
as far as i know, none of us are talking about nuclear weapons

I suggest you look at the map...

RobHu · 1 Mar 2022 at 23:38

Semple said:
Does sound like more fake news. I really do hope Ukraine aren't following on these dirty propaganda tactics as that's exactly what Russia would do.

You have to take anything either side says with a pinch of salt yes, Ukraine are fighting for their existence and Russia for obvious reasons.

bingham67 · 1 Mar 2022 at 23:38

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1498797330593722379

Firestar_3x · 1 Mar 2022 at 23:38

0007 said:
*Boeing Suspended Parts, Maintenance and Technical Support Services for Russian Airlines – Politico Reporter Tweet

Source: https://twitter.com/LeeHudson_/status/1498783931629408256

Airbus next hopefully, was calling for this since day 1, massive blow to Russian air travel.

ubersonic · 1 Mar 2022 at 23:41

RobHu said:
800 vehicles though...seems like a claim that's too absurd to make up so maybe it's true?

Could be legit.

I mean we've all seen pictures of that 40 mile column they have headed for Kiev, so using that as an example, and presuming it's double file (images show triple file in places but lets err on the side of unfavorability), 40 miles - 64 kilometres - 64,000 meters. Average length of a vehicle say 9 meters plus 3 meters either end for distance (so 6 meters between vehicles, nice and safe), so each vehicle takes up 15 meters of road. 64,000 meters long column in double file, so 128,000 meters of vehicles, at 15 meters each: That's ~8500 vehicles.

So yeah I'd say 800 in a much smaller convoy could quite easily be legit.

Rroff · 1 Mar 2022 at 23:41

Wonder if they've tested this yet:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1498726356426932232

steve45 · 1 Mar 2022 at 23:41

Sankari said:
Estonia has no US military bases. The US maintains a tiny handful of troops in Estonia—typically ~120—as part of their NATO commitment (Is Russia claiming to be terrified of 120 US soldiers?) They do not have a permanent presence there.

In 2019, five US Apache helicopters were deployed to Estonia. They stayed for a grand total of 3 months.

In February, the US sent six F-15s to an Estonian air base after noting Russia's increased aggression towards Ukraine. This was done under the auspices of NATO.

So no, I don't accept Estonia as an example.

Poland has has no US military bases. NATO has a detachment of ~5,000 troops in Poland, consisting of soldiers from Poland, the Czech Republic, Estonia, Spain, Canada, Lithuania, Latvia, Germany, Romania, Turkey, the United States, Hungary, Great Britain and Slovakia.

So no, I don't accept Poland as an example either.

Again: where are all these 'US weapons on Russia's border' that Putin is allegedly worried about?

Look up NATO Enhanced Forward Presence. UK leads the Estonian battlegroup based out of Tapa. We currently hold approx a Battlegroup plus at high readiness out in Estonia. You wont find many Yanks in Estonia as that is not there area of operations for the EFP, they head up the Polish region. We have plenty of "weapons" in the border regions with Russia but not nukes.

With the current shenanigans. NATO has also bolstered a lot of troops and equipment across the whole frontage.

platinum87 · 1 Mar 2022 at 23:41

Sankari said:
Estonia has no US military bases. The US maintains a tiny handful of troops in Estonia—typically ~120—as part of their NATO commitment (Is Russia claiming to be terrified of 120 US soldiers?) They do not have a permanent presence there.

In 2019, five US Apache helicopters were deployed to Estonia. They stayed for a grand total of 3 months.

In February, the US sent six F-15s to an Estonian air base after noting Russia's increased aggression towards Ukraine. This was done under the auspices of NATO.

So no, I don't accept Estonia as an example.

Poland has has no US military bases. NATO has a detachment of ~5,000 troops in Poland, consisting of soldiers from Poland, the Czech Republic, Estonia, Spain, Canada, Lithuania, Latvia, Germany, Romania, Turkey, the United States, Hungary, Great Britain and Slovakia.

So no, I don't accept Poland as an example either.

Again: where are all these 'US weapons on Russia's border' that Putin is allegedly worried about?

Well you have accepted that there are US troops in estonia but rejected it.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-56720589

BBC says, https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/c...67_nato_troops_eastern_europe_v2_2x640-nc.png

There are 5400 US troops in poland, excluding US troops in nato, which is 1060 apparently.

Malevolence · 1 Mar 2022 at 23:42

Sankari said:
Show me the US weapons on Russia's border, using this convenient map:

The US doesn't even have military bases on Russia's border.

There are US troops and weapons deployed in Poland, Norway, Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia. All of which have a border with Russia. And then there's the fact that the US also has a border with Russia too. Personally, I couldn't give a **** and would deploy vast quantities of equipment there, if only to wind mad Vlad up even further,

ubersonic · 1 Mar 2022 at 23:43

Scougar said:
Not gonna happen, but they sure could use some A10s right now.

They have Su-25s (and MiG-72 in storage), they're essentially the same thing.

Robbo · 1 Mar 2022 at 23:44

I just fear that the more successful the Ukrainians are, the closer we get to a full blown indiscriminate bombardment…

Minusorange · 1 Mar 2022 at 23:45

Rroff said:
Wonder if they've tested this yet:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1498726356426932232

Did you see the one of the driveby molotovs who set fire to their arms from the spilled fuel ? I imagine this could be as much a terrible idea

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1498805866581180424

Soon to be a 2v1 fight

potatolord · 1 Mar 2022 at 23:45

Rroff said:
"Russia is expected to seize Kyiv in the next 4-6 weeks. The war overall is likely to last 10 or 15 or 20 years and “ultimately, Russia will lose” - US officials speaking to CBS and Congress"

Not sure I'd agree with that assessment - as long as the defenders are well prepared and willing they could hold Kyiv easily 4-6 weeks or more unless Russia commits far more to the fight. But on the other hand I don't see the war dragging out beyond maybe 2-3 years - once (if) the major urban areas are taken and larger organised military groups dispersed or defeated it will likely die down very quickly - much of those West leaning will then start to move out the country IMO with only a limited insurgency.

The real issue will be food and water, if kiev is to hold. If the Russians tighten a ring around kiev we'll either see starvation on a scale nor seen since the siege of leningrad or a mass exodus. Even if people leave they will need food and shelter- millions of people. It is horrific.

I just can't believe this is happening in Europe.