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[Grim5]

Funny how times change.

* 1949: 'Communism can never work, Russia and China will fall!'
* 1990: 'See? The USSR is breaking up and she's turning to capitalism! China is next.'
* 2000: 'Hmm, China is still going strong and now she makes all our stuff. How did that happen?'
* 2022: 'Oh ****, China is an economic superpower and she's already bought half of Africa!!'

Somehow, China defied the odds.

You forgot China between 1950 and 1980s: look how we eat cockroaches for dinner, We stand in line for for 5 days waiting for rice and they give us cockroach

The country WAS dying and failing to feed itself under communism (China was one of the poorest countries on this planet for several decades), it wasn't until they introduced capitalist market reforms and trade that they started making money to buy food.


If you don't believe me, next time you meet someone from China who's aged around 60 or 70 or 80 now, go ask them what food they ate when they were 20 or 30 or 40 years old living in China

 

[Deleted member 236143]

So wait
All of China and its vast regions could only produce cockroaches. And rice after a 5 day queue. . . . . .

I know several Chinese people.

 

[Tefal]

Funny how times change.

* 1949: 'Communism can never work, Russia and China will fall!'
* 1990: 'See? The USSR is breaking up and she's turning to capitalism! China is next.'
* 2000: 'Hmm, China is still going strong and now she makes all our stuff. How did that happen?'
* 2022: 'Oh ****, China is an economic superpower and she's already bought half of Africa!!'

Somehow, China defied the odds.

Well not really it completely shed any semblance of communism and just became capitalist then it was successful

 

[Tefal]

So wait
All of China and its vast regions could only produce cockroaches. And rice after a 5 day queue. . . . . .

I know several Chinese people.

The crops failed after they killed the birds that ate the pests thinking they were eating the seeds.

Tens if millions died according to quick Google 18%+ of the population in some regions in just 2 years


Similar to Russia many people resorted to gleaning to survive (crawling though the field after the mobile has been through and scraping up the lost/missed grains)

 

[Deleted member 236143]

And they survived then on cockroaches alone the only insect to survive in this stricken land mass? As well as the rice crops that did not fail but you had to queue 5 days for?

A bit of a leap.

 

[Sankari]

You forgot China between 1950 and 1980s: look how we eat cockroaches for dinner, We stand in line for for 5 days waiting for rice and they give us cockroach

The country WAS dying and failing to feed itself under communism (China was one of the poorest countries on this planet for several decades), it wasn't until they introduced capitalist market reforms and trade that they started making money to buy food.


If you don't believe me, next time you meet someone from China who's aged around 60 or 70 or 80 now, go ask them what food they ate when they were 20 or 30 or 40 years old living in China

Oh, I agree that China had to make a lot of changes.

She had to industrialise, she had to beg, borrow, buy, and steal western technology, she had to find countries weaker than herself to exploit, and she had to implement some aspects of capitalism. Without these, she could not have survived.

But she's still a communist dictatorship with a socialist market economy.

 

[Tefal]

And they survived then on cockroaches alone the only insect to survive in this stricken land mass? As well as the rice crops that did not fail but you had to queue 5 days for?

A bit of a leap.

No ihave no idea what the cocroaches thing is I'm assuming its a bit of hyperbole like wevels in the grain here in the old days. Just the 10s of millions dead

I think the richer less rural people survived mostly on imported food as they weren't so dependent on local agriculture.


China does farm roaches though these days but I think its for magic medicine than food

 

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Last 8hrs:

*On Wednesday, Biden Is Poised to Offer an Additional $800 Mln in Security Aid to Ukraine – White House Official.
*Biden to Speak on Ukraine Aid at 15:45PM GMT.
*Canada’s PM Trudeau Will Attend a NATO Gathering in Brussels Next Week – CBC.
*Unknown Projectile From North Korea Fails to Launch – South Korean Military.
*Japan’s PM Kishida Will Conduct a Press Conference at 10:00AM GMT – Government.
*Russia Ready for Any Formats of Dialogue on Ukraine Seeking Diplomatic Solutions – Diplomat – Sputnik.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/bi...mln-security-aid-ukraine-official-2022-03-16/
https://twitter.com/KateSullivanDC/status/1503905163400073219
https://www.reuters.com/world/canadian-pm-trudeau-will-attend-nato-meeting-next-week-cbc-2022-03-16/
https://www.reuters.com/world/china...-missile-nhk-citing-defmin-source-2022-03-16/
https://www.forexlive.com/news/japan-pm-kishida-will-hold-a-press-conference-at-10-gmt-20220316/
https://sputniknews.com/20220316/ru...plomatic-solutions---diplomat-1093915824.html

 

[woppy101]

Some interesting analysis by Justin Bronk on why NATO should stay out of the fight. Its a long video but he covers this question in the last 7 minutes or so. I hope he's right about everything he mentions.

Great watch, thanks for sharing

 

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*Russia’s Gazprom: Continuing to Ship Gas to Europe via Ukraine, Wednesday Volume at 95 MCM.
*Europe’s Car Plants Halted by Lack of Low-Cost Ukrainian Component – FT ~from 4h ago
https://www.reuters.com/article/ukr...gas-supply-requests-via-ukraine-idUSR4N2V302E
https://www.ft.com/content/1d0522d0-5bb2-4c49-8978-6fb99fec7e24
FT article - https://imgur.com/a/mCoSXiO

*UK’s Prime Minister Johnson: We Will Set Out a UK Energy Strategy Next Week. – RTRS
*UK’s Prime Minister Johnson: We Need To Double The Pace Of Wind Farm Construction. – RTRS
https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/uk...set-out-next-week-pm-johnson-says-2022-03-16/

 

[CapitalOne]

Truss doing the media rounds this morning. Set gaffometers to stun.

 

[robfosters]

That was a good video.

So basically, if we just continue to impose sanctions and supply aid and weapons, Putin simply cannot win. Will Putin ever accept that though?

there’s definitely an overwhelming feeling now though that he’s pushing hard for a way out. For Zelensky to talk so positively of the talks, then Putin must be making some decent concessions.

 

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'These are the indicative estimates of Russia's losses as of March 16, according to the Armed Forces of Ukraine.'

Source: https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1503996631536091142

 

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*Ukraine’s Deputy PM: Efforts Are Being Made to Allow Humanitarian Corridors on Wednesday.
*Ukraine's Deputy PM: Russian Forces in Control of a Mariupol Hospital With 400 Civilians, Patients, and Medical Staff, Blames Them With Shooting From There and Threatening Humanitarian Corridor
https://twitter.com/guyelster/status/1503999688990670853

 

[CaptainRAVE]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1503869442337431552

Just to hold ground? It’s getting pretty desperate for Russia, no wonder they are coming round to the idea of peace. I hope Ukraine gets its territory back and we continue to arm them.

 

[wordy]

Just to hold ground? It’s getting pretty desperate for Russia, no wonder they are coming round to the idea of peace. I hope Ukraine gets its territory back and we continue to arm them.

And allow them into NATO post haste.

 

[Chuk_Chuk]

Just to hold ground? It’s getting pretty desperate for Russia, no wonder they are coming round to the idea of peace. I hope Ukraine gets its territory back and we continue to arm them.

Lets say that Russia turns around and goes home. What do you think will happen to all the weapons we sent to Ukraine?

 

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*Ukraine’s Presidential Advisor: Ukraine Has Launched Counteroffensive Actions in Several Operational Areas, Radically Changing the Situation.

What's going on right now.
1. Counteroffensive of the AFU in several operational areas. This radically changes the parties’ dispositions.
2. Russian journalists start quitting TV channels.
3. RF leaders are trying to find allies whose soldiers will be ready to die in Ukraine fields.
https://twitter.com/Podolyak_M/status/1504001010787921924

 

[Magic_x_uk]

Lets say that Russia turns around and goes home. What do you think will happen to all the weapons we sent to Ukraine?

No idea about the weapons, but just think of the lives lost if that happens.

 

[Harlequin]

It seems that Russia has at best 3000 working tanks for the entire country, which means a conservative estimate they have lost 10% > 15% in 2 weeks in Ukraine.

(1) Rob Lee on Twitter: "More photos from that tank graveyard in Siberia. 5/ https://t.co/IdgI5uAAyb https://t.co/NiFkJMuJpj" / Twitter

Thats Russia`s `in storage` tank fleet.