Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

Turn · 16 Mar 2022 at 11:14

*According to NBC News, the United States Is Considering Providing Ukraine With Guided Missiles.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/na...es-jamming-gear-surface-air-missile-rcna20197

'The Biden administration is considering providing Ukraine with U.S.-made killer drones — cutting-edge guided missiles that could accurately target Russian tanks and artillery positions from miles away — two congressional officials briefed on the matter told NBC News.'

Sankari · 16 Mar 2022 at 11:21

0007 said:
*According to NBC News, the United States Is Considering Providing Ukraine With Guided Missiles.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/na...es-jamming-gear-surface-air-missile-rcna20197

'The Biden administration is considering providing Ukraine with U.S.-made killer drones — cutting-edge guided missiles that could accurately target Russian tanks and artillery positions from miles away — two congressional officials briefed on the matter told NBC News.'

Better late than never, I guess.

Mr Jack · 16 Mar 2022 at 11:21

Sankari said:
OK, strictly speaking China is a Marxist–Leninist single party socialist dictatorship.

What does "strictly speaking" mean in this context? China is not Marxist or Leninist in any meaningful sense: it's a straight forward single party autocracy which uses controlled free market elements to its economic benefit.

Ayahuasca · 16 Mar 2022 at 11:23

0007 said:
Two B52 Bombers patrolling the skies today.

Just saw the B52 go over :cool:

Typhoon heading this way now.

dlockers · 16 Mar 2022 at 11:27

dcsarge said:
China probably got detailed blueprints of all our top level stuff from a bus stop somewhere knowing how well security is handled in this country. /jk

I know you put /jk but it is an interesting point. About as useful as reading the ingredients on the back of Worcestershire sauce though. You can't just mix a vat up and expect the same results.

Lopéz · 16 Mar 2022 at 11:32

Sankari said:
Innovation has never been a Chinese strength.

I mean, other than all the innovation in China over the past few thousand years, you are right.

StriderX · 16 Mar 2022 at 11:34

Sankari said:
Better late than never, I guess.

https://www.npr.org/2019/12/18/788874844/how-u-s-military-aid-has-helped-ukraine-since-2014

U.S. assistance makes up 90% of Ukraine's foreign military aid, according to the Independent Defence Anti-Corruption Committee, a nongovernmental watchdog group in Kyiv.

I suppose if you mean only these drones and maybe also the more immediate needs (anti-x, ammunition) of Ukraine, but otherwise they've been there for a while.

koolpc · 16 Mar 2022 at 11:37

Ukraine should not give in to any demands by Russian.

robfosters · 16 Mar 2022 at 11:42

Would you really want Ukraine in NATO? I wouldn’t until Putin is gone and someone more reasonable is in charge.
It will be unsettled there for a long time and a Ukraine in NATO puts a massive obligation on us if anything, even minor, should kick off.

Turn · 16 Mar 2022 at 11:42

*Holder of Russia Government Dollar Bonds With Coupons Due Today Says Hasn’t Had Confirmation of Payment So Far
https://twitter.com/C_Barraud/status/1504062091585626115

* 'Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy said on Wednesday that peace negotiations must lead to a fair deal for Ukraine that includes reliable security guarantees that protect it from future threats.'
* 'Russia and China are working to establish cooperation between their respective financial messaging systems, a senior Russian lawmaker said on Wednesday, as Moscow responds to Western sanctions on its financial system.'
* 'Russian tech entrepreneurs are set to launch a picture-sharing application on the domestic market to help fill the void left by Instagram, which the authorities blocked this week.'
https://www.reuters.com/world/ukrai...al-must-offer-security-guarantees-2022-03-16/
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https://www.reuters.com/technology/...aring-app-after-instagram-blocked-2022-03-16/

*‘UK Prime Minister Johnson and UAE Crown Prince Discussed Ways to Boost Collaboration Between the Two Countries on Energy Security, Green Technology, and Trade, According to PM Johnson’s Office.’
*‘UK’s Prime Minister Johnson and UAE Crown Prince Also Agreed on the Need to Strengthen Our Strong Security, Defence and Intelligence Cooperation in the Face of Growing Global Threats’
https://www.reuters.com/world/uks-j...nce-discuss-energy-security-trade-2022-03-16/

inogen · 16 Mar 2022 at 11:47

Lopéz said:
I mean, other than all the innovation in China over the past few thousand years, you are right.

Yeah, apart from the crank, the compass, paper, gunpowder, printing, steel, cast and wrought iron, the blast furnace, bellows, oil drilling and refining, petroleum and gas what have the Chinese done for us?

Oh, I forgot porcelain and toilet paper!

Mr Jack · 16 Mar 2022 at 11:48

koolpc said:
Ukraine should not give in to any demands by Russian.

The price of not compromising is too high. Thousands are dying daily, and the cost of reconstruction goes up all the time. Thus Ukraine will compromise, because the alternative is unacceptable.

Mr Badger · 16 Mar 2022 at 11:54

0007 said:
Two B52 Bombers patrolling the skies today.

It's reassuring to know that should Putin invade, the US are in position to instantly respond by bombing Peterborough.

lookitsjonno · 16 Mar 2022 at 11:55

Mr Jack said:
The price of not compromising is too high. Thousands are dying daily, and the cost of reconstruction goes up all the time. Thus Ukraine will compromise, because the alternative is unacceptable.

The Russians are looking for a quick way out. They are dangling a carrot so that they can call this 'special operation' a win. Ukraine shouldn't agree to their terms, the Russians are already backed into a corner with their logistical issues

lookitsjonno · 16 Mar 2022 at 11:56

Mr Badger said:
It's reassuring to know that should Putin invade, the US are in position to instantly respond by bombing Peterborough.

Now that's what I call levelling up, Peterborough can't get any worse

Mr Jack · 16 Mar 2022 at 11:59

lookitsjonno said:
The Russians are looking for a quick way out. They are dangling a carrot so that they can call this 'special operation' a win. Ukraine shouldn't agree to their terms, the Russians are already backed into a corner with their logistical issues

I agree that they should not be folding like a cheap paper bag; but there will have to be some compromise in order to get Russia to leave quickly.

HazardO · 16 Mar 2022 at 12:01

Cambridge is a little too close for comfort to St Peterboroughsberg

chrismscotland · 16 Mar 2022 at 12:01

robfosters said:
Would you really want Ukraine in NATO? I wouldn’t until Putin is gone and someone more reasonable is in charge.
It will be unsettled there for a long time and a Ukraine in NATO puts a massive obligation on us if anything, even minor, should kick off.

No - and its pretty clear that both NATO and Ukraine know its not happening given Zelensky's statement in recent days

phil-k · 16 Mar 2022 at 12:02

I think Putin has got what he wanted now, access to the sea and they blew up the dam to get the water supply back

Uther · 16 Mar 2022 at 12:04

Mr Jack said:
I agree that they should not be folding like a cheap paper bag; but there will have to be some compromise in order to get Russia to leave quickly.

Totally agree. Being in the right doesn't help much if you're dead.