Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

[NickK]

Ukraine needs the transit fees from the gas.

Good point. Agreed.

 

[Harlequin]

I believe the current school of thought is actually that the death toll from Dresden was massively inflated by the Nazis and later the Soviets for propaganda reasons, so actually although Dresden was burnt to the ground, fewer people actually died than during the Blitz.
https://www.spiegel.de/internationa...-died-in-the-bombing-of-dresden-a-581992.html

The discussion is becase fully accurate numbers cant be obtained, as the city population had swelled by refugee`s fleeing the Soviet advance.

 

[Hagar]

One of the observations was that Russian vehicles couldn't transverse terrain other than roads fast enough mainly due to the weather at this time of year. The result is slower advance, more fuel consumed across non-roads due to conditions. That is on top of the ineptitude and arrogance of military planning and logistics cost them dearly.

It seems that Russia is academy teaches military strategy that simply involves throwing Human Resources at a problem without actually analysing what they need to win a war. It also smacks of someone not listening and ignoring relevant facts to make a complete work of fiction, a product of culture.

The cold war vision sold to us in the last century was columns of soviet armour sweeping into western Europe across the open countryside. Maybe that was stolen from the Soviet war plans of the day and it has not been altered for this century.

 

[Harlequin]

The cold war vision sold to us in the last century was columns of soviet armour sweeping into western Europe across the open countryside. Maybe that was stolen from the Soviet war plans of the day and it has not been altered for this century.

The war plan was enough fuel and ammo for 3 days before resupply - which is pretty much what we`ve seen, baring the actual resupply. UKR have learnt from the USA/UK and hitting the resupply.

 

[NickK]

The discussion is becase fully accurate numbers cant be obtained, as the city population had swelled by refugee`s fleeing the Soviet advance.

So the pertinent question is - as warfare has moved on, is it still acceptable and therefore relevant to compare Putin's philosophy in carpet shelling to Dresden?

The English gassed the Kurds. Yet as part of the global world - the UK participates in the move to ban chemical weapons. If WW2 was enacted with today's weapons it would be a different war, irrespective of the outcome.

It seems we're still fighting a historic war. Using historic examples to justify and historic tactics to implement. The concern if I was Xi is that Putin appears to be distracted (militarily and politically) from the Xi/Putin alliance by history resulting in a high cost per achieved goal vs modern pinpointing resulting in low cost per achieved goal.

Pinpointing weakness (logistics and resupply) simply demonstrates that.

 

[alchal]

Something I've mentioned before but IMO Russia is partly struggling because a lot of their systems were design focussed on a defensive total war vs the West and not well suited to a situation where they need to avoid collaterally involving other nearby countries and used in an invasion of a country also using Russian/Soviet equipment.

Pretty sure Soviet doctrine was to attack, hence lighter weight smaller mbts compared to much heavier western tanks, plus numbers, rushing through the fulda gap etc with mass armour, cheap numerous tanks ftw....

 

[NickK]

Pretty sure Soviet doctrine was to attack, hence lighter weight smaller mbts compared to much heavier western tanks, plus numbers, rushing through the fulda gap etc with mass armour, cheap numerous tanks ftw....

Ahh swarms. Swarming only works if you're not funnelled into limited easily attackable routes. A swarm through a restricted environment needs precise coordination to maintain the flow rate of movement. It doesn't work if you have choke points precisely that happens on a battlefield where roads are mined, towns are defended and the ground is so bad you need to stick to the roads to maintain speed/fuel efficiency.

Lots of tanks - lots of fuel. Putin has plenty but then you make it so he can't supply - every modern army runs entirely on its fuel supply. Centralised fuel logistics and fuel logistics using the same choke points will result in failure.

 

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*German Interior Ministry: Nearly 300,000 Refugees From Ukraine Recorded in Germany
*Head of Kyiv Regional Administration: Russia Is Continuing to Withdraw Some Forces From North of the Kyiv Region Towards Belarus.
*Russia Confirms Talks With Ukraine for Today. — TASS

*Russia Defence Ministry: On April 1, We Will Open Humanitarian Corridor From Mariupol to Zaporizhzhia, Acting on Request by German and French Leaders to Putin — TASS.
*Aide to Mariupol Mayor: Russian Forces Are Not Allowing Humanitarian Aid in, City Is Very Dangerous to Try to Exit

*ICRC Spokesperson: Top Level Authorities From Both Ukraine and Russia Have Agreed With Mariupol Evacuations Plan.

*Russia’s Gazprom: Natural Gas Exports to Non-CIS Countries at 38.5 Bcm From January-March.
*Russia’s Gazprom: We Have Supplied Gas to Clients in Line With Requests and Contracts.
*Russia’s Gazprom: We Raised Gas Flows to Italy, Poland, and Turkey in March YoY.
*Russia’s Gazprom: Refilling Storage Before Winter Is Difficult for the EU.

*Ukraine Central Bank Asks Central Banks of Japan, UK, USA, EU and European Commission to Ban Transactions in Russian and Belarusian Roubles in Their Countries

 

[DrToffnar]

Got everything crossed that it's able to get in and out undisturbed

 

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*Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov: Russia Is Preparing a Response to Ukraine’s Proposals, There Is Movement Forward — IFX.
*Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov: Russia Is Willing to Work With India on Trade.
*Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov: Russia Has Seen Much More Understanding of the Situation in Crimea and Donbass From the Ukrainian Side — TASS.
*Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov: Ukraine Talks Must Continue.
*Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov: Many Years Ago We Started Moving Away From Using Dollars.
*Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov: Russia Will Increase Its Use of National Currencies in Trade With Russia.
*Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov: Rupee-Rouble Process Has Been Ongoing for Many Years.
*Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov: If India Wants to Buy Anything From Us We Are Open to Discussion.
*Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov Says Is Open to India Mediating in the Ukraine Crisis
https://tass.ru/politika/14252579
https://tass.ru/ekonomika/14252625

Spoiler: UK MoD Map 1st April

'The map below is the latest Defence Intelligence update on the situation in Ukraine - 01 April 2022'

https://twitter.com/DefenceHQ/status/1509826795142623232

*Gazprom Reports That It Has Begun Sending Requests for Gas-For-Rouble Payment Switch Requests to Clients Today.
*On Friday, Gazprom Will Notify Clients of New Payment Rules.
*Gazprom: Payments for Exported Gas Will Be in Accordance With Russian Law.

*German Government Spokesperson: Germany’s Chancellor Scholz Will Meet UK’s Prime Minister Johnson Next Friday in London.
*German Government Spokesperson: The Government Is Checking Russia’s Decree on Rouble Payments
*According to a Spokesperson for the German Economy Ministry, Private Contracts Are Valid, and Germany Is Paying in Euros.
*German Economy Ministry Spokesperson: Gazprombank Has 10 Days to Clarify the Procedures.
*German Economy Ministry Spokesperson: As of Yesterday, Gas Supplies Were Stable; the German Network Agency Will Post Today’s Report Soon.

 

[potatolord]

One of the observations was that Russian vehicles couldn't transverse terrain other than roads fast enough mainly due to the weather at this time of year. The result is slower advance, more fuel consumed across non-roads due to conditions. That is on top of the ineptitude and arrogance of military planning and logistics cost them dearly.

It seems that Russia is academy teaches military strategy that simply involves throwing Human Resources at a problem without actually analysing what they need to win a war. It also smacks of someone not listening and ignoring relevant facts to make a complete work of fiction, a product of culture.

Zerg rush FTW has been Russian strategy since the 18th century.

To be fair, it worked in ww2 when they overran superior performing German forces through sheer weight of numbers. "Quantity has a quality all of its own", as they say.

The winter war in Finland showed its limitations, but the Soviets just doubled down in the continuation war, which meant that lessons that should have been learned, weren't.

 

[RobHu]

Apologies if already posted but there's a video out this morning of [allegedly] two Ukrainian air force helicopters blowing up an oil depot just inside Russia (Bolgorod). But some Russian official said a couple of days ago that Ukraine has no airforce left :trollface:

Sounds like Russia have almost totally pulled out of (forced to retreat from) the Kyiv region and some of the north of the country. It appears that Ukraine is also getting closer to Kherson in the south too. It will be interesting to see if they manage to make more gains there.

edit: The helicopter story was one page back

 

[woppy101]

Another great video, explaining why the myth about Russia keeping their best equipment back for later use is most likely to be incorrect and they really are loosing their best kit in high numbers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lem3enNkbV0

 

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*Kremlin: Putin Has Been Briefed on Attack on Russian Fuel Depot Near Ukraine.
*Kremlin: It Observes Such Actions Relating to Its International Reserves
*Kremlin Claims That the Russian Military Is Not Sending Conscripts to Ukraine.
*Kremlin: Putin’s Order of Gas Payments in Roubles Is Irreversible.
*Kremlin: Germany’s Plan to Nationalise Gazprom Units Would Be Illegal Under International Law, and That Such Calls Are Unacceptable.
*Kremlin: Putin Will Talk to Turkey’s Erdogan Later on Friday by Phone.
*Kremlin Claims That the Ukrainian Attack on a Russian Fuel Depot Inside Russia Does Not Create Favourable Conditions for the Continuation of Peace Talks.
*Kremlin Has Stated That Russia Will Not Cut Off Gas Supplies to Europe on April 1.
*Kremlin: Payments on Gas Deliveries Due After April 1 Come In Second Half of April and May.
https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/14253141
https://www.reuters.com/world/europ...ot-creates-awkward-backdrop-talks-2022-04-01/
https://tass.ru/ekonomika/14253251

*UK Agrees to Join the US in Strategic Oil Reserves Release.
*The UK’s Energy Strategy Is Expected Next Week, According to the BBC.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-60952056

*China Weighs Giving US Full Access to Audits of Most Firms
https://news.bloomberglaw.com/secur...iving-u-s-full-access-to-audits-of-most-firms

*Ukraine Presidency, Citing Negotiator: Talks With Russia Continued on Friday in an Online Format
*Grossi, the International Atomic Energy Agency’s Chief, Has Stated on Twitter That He Will Lead an IAEA Assistance and Support Mission to Chernobyl As Soon As Possible.
https://twitter.com/rafaelmgrossi/status/1509832578408329217

 

[Harlequin]

Another great video, explaining why the myth about Russia keeping their best equipment back for later use is most likely to be incorrect and they really are loosing their best kit in high numbers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lem3enNkbV0

The photo`s on previous pages show ` in storage equipment` as basically an outdoor scrap yard. UK in storage kit kept in Canada is kept in sheds etc. Russia is losing its ready use equipment daily.

 

[woppy101]

The photo`s on previous pages show ` in storage equipment` as basically an outdoor scrap yard. UK in storage kit kept in Canada is kept in sheds etc. Russia is losing its ready use equipment daily.

No argument from me, I have said that all along, but you keep getting the same people saying “Russia isn’t using its best kit and personnel”

 

[Rilot]

I think this quote is going to have aged badly in under 24 hours.

*Kremlin Has Stated That Russia Will Not Cut Off Gas Supplies to Europe on April 1.

 

[iamtheoneneo]

"The Kremlin says that the strike on the fuel depot does not create comfortable conditions to continue peace talks, Reuters reports."

HAHA these guys.

 

[RobHu]

"The Kremlin says that the strike on the fuel depot does not create comfortable conditions to continue peace talks, Reuters reports."

HAHA these guys.

Poor Russia, always the victim, even when it's levelling the cities of another nation and murdering countless civilians.

 

[Screeeech]

Another great video, explaining why the myth about Russia keeping their best equipment back for later use is most likely to be incorrect and they really are loosing their best kit in high numbers

I never bought into the idea that Russia was sending in a bunch of idiots and thugs driving rusting hulks as some sort of "cheap invasion force" as though they were keeping their best locked away, - especially in this day and age, where everybody is watching to see how strong you really are. I guessed all along, that these idiots and thugs - are pretty much the best they have and all they have, and it's quite entertaining watching them fail. (although I'm extremely sorry for the Ukrainians..)

I just think that over the decades Russia has created this perception of it's power as being super strong, when in reality - once out in the open, it's a steaming pile of **** and they only really have a massive nuclear weapons arsenal to fall back on. A nuclear weapons arsenal, which is probably falling to bits and partially functional, because I imagine a lot of the money used to keep it going ended up in corrupt people's pockets, in order to buy more yachts and west London real estate..