Caporegime
Just casually invading Ukraine to steal their washing machines
I steal stuff from work too
Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar
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I steal stuff from work too
In fairness it's impossible to tell from that image if they've been looting washing machines or tumble dryersJust casually invading Ukraine to steal their washing machines
Soldato
Yeap, these are not the actions of anything like a "professional" army and Russia has now woken people up in the "Western" world to just how backward many of Russia's people still are.
It is to about 75% of the planet - South America, Africa, Middle East, Far East etc. It only tends to be countries with "Western" morals where it's not viewed as "normal" to do these things as part of war but to the vast majority of the planet war is a brutal, horrible thing where no-one escapes unscathed.
As above, to the vast majority of the world it really is.
Maybe the Ukrainian forces traded them for a few russian tanks
Just casually invading Ukraine to steal their washing machines
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Seeing as though the West wrote the rules on war it makes sense that Western morals are more aligned with the rules than anywhere else and that the West put a higher value on human life than other areas of the planet
I do kind of agree with you though in that having rules for war seems counter intuitive to the whole ethos of war or at least total war where the objective is to destroy your enemy
Soldato
I think efforts to make war "civilized" are counter-productive in the long run.
If you make an activity more palitable, you make people more likely to engage in the activity.
Star Trek had an episode where two civizations had made war so " clean" that they just kept fighting for decades. They launched *simulated* attacks on one another, had a computer p4ogram calculate who and what would have been destroyed in the simulated attack and then sent the real people, from the areas that were attacked in the simulation, to be euthanized.
After the Enterprise destroyed the computer system that ran the simulations, the two civilizations decided to try to come to some agreement.
I realize the example is just a fictitious story line from TV, but the point it makes about human nature seems self-evident.
Do we want to make war "clean", or "rare"? I argue that the more successful you are with one goal, the less success you will have with the other.
I hope that Russia's actions will backfire and bring the world down on them in a more direct way than we have so far, but I also think that trying to make war more palitable is a bad idea because it will result in more war not less.
If you make an activity more palitable, you make people more likely to engage in the activity.
Star Trek had an episode where two civizations had made war so " clean" that they just kept fighting for decades. They launched *simulated* attacks on one another, had a computer p4ogram calculate who and what would have been destroyed in the simulated attack and then sent the real people, from the areas that were attacked in the simulation, to be euthanized.
After the Enterprise destroyed the computer system that ran the simulations, the two civilizations decided to try to come to some agreement.
I realize the example is just a fictitious story line from TV, but the point it makes about human nature seems self-evident.
Do we want to make war "clean", or "rare"? I argue that the more successful you are with one goal, the less success you will have with the other.
I hope that Russia's actions will backfire and bring the world down on them in a more direct way than we have so far, but I also think that trying to make war more palitable is a bad idea because it will result in more war not less.
Soldato
I think Ukraine needs to get everything we have now and drive Russia out from the east if they can.
*U.S. Stops Short of Genocide Label
*Ukrainian President Zelenskiy: Says This Is Genocide — CBS
*Ukraine’s Military: Russia Launched Missile Attack on Town of Vasylkiv Near Kyiv, Hit Regional HQ, Some Civilians Hurt
*US Secretary of State Blinken: Sanctions Maybe Lifted Depending on the Outcome of Russia, Ukraine Negotiations
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/volody...sident-face-the-nation-transcript-04-03-2022/ — CBS transcript w/ Zelenskiy
https://twitter.com/ragipsoylu/status/1510627534001614860
Excellent news, another Russian murderer out of the picture
Hopefully they use them on a Russian staging area
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Soldato
Let’s never forget the likes of Tucker Carlson, Trump and other Republicans were praising and rooting for Russia at the beginning of this. Now with Russians murdering civilians for fun they should never be allowed to forget their support for Putin.
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Soldato
Allies should now step into Ukraine as a defensive block, protecting the western half of the country.
Warning Russia not to enter those areas.
Maybe protect as far as Kyiv...
Warning Russia not to enter those areas.
Maybe protect as far as Kyiv...
Caporegime
They should do that for the whole damn country. And if Russia fires on a single damn one of our units, we go full military support for Russia and target any, and every, Russian asset involved in the war and don't stop until Putin respects the 1991 borders of Ukraine.
We won't.
Man of Honour
I was against any intervention but with Russia pulling out "West of the Dnipir river" basically - its time we enforced a no-fly and put some boots on the ground. As @Mr Jack says though - we won't
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We probably won't even punish them for warcrimes given we did nothing to them in the past as well
— Bloomberg (CET Time)
*Russian Defence Ministry: Scenes in City of Bucha Were Staged to Distribute Photos, Videos via Western Media
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-denies-killing-civilians-ukraines-bucha-2022-04-03/
*Ukraine’s Prosecutors Investigating Possible War Crimes Say Have Found 410 Bodies — RTRS
*Ukraine’s Governor of Eastern Luhansk Says Shelling Increasing in Region, Russia Is Building up Forces to Try to Capture All of Luhansk Region — RTRS
https://nationalpost.com/pmn/news-pmn/ukrainian-prosecutors-say-410-bodies-found-in-towns-near-kyiv
https://nationalpost.com/pmn/news-pmn/russia-increases-shelling-of-ukraines-luhansk-region-governor
*Russian Soldiers Reportedly Killed by Ukrainians’ Poison-Laced Pastries — NYP
https://nypost.com/2022/04/03/russian-soldiers-killed-by-pastries-poisoned-by-ukrainians/
*Italian Party Chief Calls for Full Russian Energy Embargo
*Russia Denies Killing Civilians in Ukraine’s Bucha — RTRS*Russia Dismisses ‘Staged’ War Crimes Accusations
*Russian Defence Ministry: Scenes in City of Bucha Were Staged to Distribute Photos, Videos via Western Media
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-denies-killing-civilians-ukraines-bucha-2022-04-03/
*Ukraine’s Prosecutors Investigating Possible War Crimes Say Have Found 410 Bodies — RTRS
*Ukraine’s Governor of Eastern Luhansk Says Shelling Increasing in Region, Russia Is Building up Forces to Try to Capture All of Luhansk Region — RTRS
https://nationalpost.com/pmn/news-pmn/ukrainian-prosecutors-say-410-bodies-found-in-towns-near-kyiv
https://nationalpost.com/pmn/news-pmn/russia-increases-shelling-of-ukraines-luhansk-region-governor
*Russian Soldiers Reportedly Killed by Ukrainians’ Poison-Laced Pastries — NYP
https://nypost.com/2022/04/03/russian-soldiers-killed-by-pastries-poisoned-by-ukrainians/
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With respect, you should stick to flower pressing if you don't think that's how war works. There's a big difference between what should happen and what does happen.
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You need someone in custody to prosecute. Russia are not handing anyone over to be prosecuted.
The UN sent snatch squads to capture war criminals in the former Yugoslavia (SAS). so it will probably have to be a similar way if anyone is going to be held to account.
Not going to be easy to get Putin or anyone else out of Russia.
Best thing to do is just keep the sanctions on fulltime until there is a revolution.
The UN sent snatch squads to capture war criminals in the former Yugoslavia (SAS). so it will probably have to be a similar way if anyone is going to be held to account.
Not going to be easy to get Putin or anyone else out of Russia.
Best thing to do is just keep the sanctions on fulltime until there is a revolution.
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