Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

Grim5 · 14 Apr 2022 at 21:45

chaparral said:
Anyone know what the rough value is of a warship like this ?

we don't have Russian numbers but we do know that the US has its own missle battle cruisers and they are estimated to cost between $1 and $2 billion each

Russia had 3 missle cruisers, it now has 2 left. USA has 27 of them

https://www.navysite.de/cg/cg47class.htm

Mr Jack · 14 Apr 2022 at 21:50

chaparral said:
Anyone know what the rough value is of a warship like this ?

Hard to say. The nearest modern equivalent in the Chinese navy costs the best part of $900m but the Slava class is 40 years old and that ship hasn't been refitted for 20 years.

The bigger problem for Russia is that Turkey is blocking them from bringing a replacement in, and it was a key air defence asset.

kitfit1 · 14 Apr 2022 at 21:59

Mr Jack said:
Hard to say. The nearest modern equivalent in the Chinese navy costs the best part of $900m but the Slava class is 40 years old and that ship hasn't been refitted for 20 years.

The bigger problem for Russia is that Turkey is blocking them from bringing a replacement in, and it was a key air defence asset.

It might not have been refitted for 20 years, but it certainly had had more weapons systems fitted in those 20 years. That could well have been it's downfall. Too many weapons systems, not enough tech knowhow on board and no overall oversite of those systems and coordination of them.
When the left hand dosn't know what the right hand is doing and neither do the left and right legs...............................you is going down........................even more so when your brain is being fed false info.

jpaul · 14 Apr 2022 at 21:59

So why didn't Ukraine try and subsequently sink it - if they were zerod in on it's location - humanitarian ? waste of armaments ?
would have been great from a moral perspective.

RobHu · 14 Apr 2022 at 22:01

dowie said:
I don't think the UK is supplying them with harpoon missiles, that was just some twitter rumour that got repeated. The UK does seem to have supplied them with Martlet missiles and also IIRC there were reports of sea spear missiles.

AFAIK they might well have only had a few of these Neptunes as you say, they were due for delivery around now but obvs there might have been difficulties. Using (some of) the few they had available on the most valuable target like this makes plenty of sense given they now seem to have some shorter range stuff to take on landing craft etc.. courtesy of the UK.

Yeah, sounds like the harpoons are just rumours at this stage with a few unreliable sites (DM, sun) claiming it's already happened.

jpaul said:
So why didn't Ukraine try and subsequently sink it - if they were zerod in on it's location - humanitarian ? waste of armaments ?
would have been great from a moral perspective.

What do you mean? Sunk is sunk and the Ukrainians immediately claimed it was their missiles that caused it.

Grim5 · 14 Apr 2022 at 22:11

jpaul said:
So why didn't Ukraine try and subsequently sink it - if they were zerod in on it's location - humanitarian ? waste of armaments ?
would have been great from a moral perspective.

You don't need to sink it to make it useless in a war and that was probably the goal to help Odessa

and ultimately they did sink it

Jono8 · 14 Apr 2022 at 22:20

"Stormy seas"

LMAO. Russia are a complete laughing stock.

Do they seriously think any one with more than two brain cells believes any of the rubbish they keep spewing?

Jono8 · 14 Apr 2022 at 22:21

robfosters said:
It’s not sunk, it’s performing a special underwater operation

Lol

d_brennen · 14 Apr 2022 at 22:23

Jono8 said:
"Stormy seas"

LMAO. Russia are a complete laughing stock.

Do they seriously think any one with more than two brain cells believes any of the rubbish they keep spewing?

I think it's funnier they are saying it *exploded* and *sank* because of bad weather. That's so much better than torpedoed

Harlequin · 14 Apr 2022 at 22:37

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1514699994162368512

ChrisLX200 · 14 Apr 2022 at 22:38

d_brennen said:
I think it's funnier they are saying it *exploded* and *sank* because of bad weather. That's so much better than torpedoed

Hope the captain went down with it - better fate than what awaits him back home...

Quartz · 14 Apr 2022 at 22:39

I'm just loving the Moskva jokes.

Hades · 14 Apr 2022 at 22:46

Imagine being the person to have to tell Putin

SouthParkAndItsGone.gif

Sankari · 14 Apr 2022 at 22:46

0007 said:
*Russia’s Defence Ministry: The Moskva Missile Cruise Ship Has Sunk — RIA.
https://ria.ru/20220414/kreyser-1783626130.html

~Translated from Russian.

You love to see it!

:cool:

physichull · 14 Apr 2022 at 22:51

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1514708157171437569

Magic_x_uk · 14 Apr 2022 at 22:54

This sinking could be the catalyst for Putin, who knows what he may do now

RobHu · 14 Apr 2022 at 22:59

Magic_x_uk said:
This sinking could be the catalyst for Putin, who knows what he may do now

Well as their line is that it sank during a storm following a tragic accident how are they going to spin that into justification for escalating violence? Not like they have much left in their repertoire other than going nuclear anyway.

kitfit1 · 14 Apr 2022 at 23:04

Magic_x_uk said:
This sinking could be the catalyst for Putin, who knows what he may do now

One thing is for sure, he won't be able to get another missile cruiser into the Black sea now. It would have to go through Istanbul................and that is not going to happen.

silversurfer · 14 Apr 2022 at 23:05

Jono8 said:
"Stormy seas"

LMAO. Russia are a complete laughing stock.

Do they seriously think any one with more than two brain cells believes any of the rubbish they keep spewing?

robfosters said:
It’s not sunk, it’s performing a special underwater operation

They are a joke, reminds me of Reagan making constant jokes at Russian empire expense in the 80's ;its always been this nonsense narrative that even their own people know is way off the mark but they lack the rights to ever argue against it. Obviously the country has no live or free opposition or free press etc.

d_brennen · 14 Apr 2022 at 23:05

I wouldn't like to gamble on it but I wouldn't be surprised if most of Russia's nukes didn't work properly either.