Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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Mr Jack said:
So €273 million sent by 10 member states over 7 years, of which 70% (€191m) was France and Germany, and €152m was from France - according to figures from this article. Most of which is dual use, so not really clear where it went. Meanwhile Russia is spending over $60bn a year on defence. Not sure these weapons are making much difference.
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For example, France were supplying the optics for the BMP 30mm canon, so whilst it might seem quite low value, how many components are out there enabling whole machines to work. And then there's videos and pics of civilian cars riddled with 30mm shell holes...
 

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bris said:
No the reason is they are the attackers and have to advance. Defenders always have the advantage, to take the towns and cities they have to first get there they have no choice but to be in that position.

The experts say that to attack you need a 3 to 1 advantage over the defenders, some say it can be 5 to 1, they are advancing under fire and will take heavy losses.

They failed to get a real victory in the skies, not getting air superiorty has also cost them dearly as the air power would normaly keep them under cover, this hasnt really happened here.
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There are ways to advance using tanks effectively - Russia often hasn't been doing that. Not having clear run of the sky certainly isn't helping them.

As much as anything this is an information war - and failure to deal with the intel tools like drones Ukraine is employing is costing Russia armour as much to artillery as portable weapons like the NLAW.

Softening up the defences first with artillery followed by staged movement of infantry and armour so as to deny the other side positions to employ anti-tank (and sniper) from works even in this day and age - simply driving armour around on its own as the Russians are often doing is leaving every ditch, rooftop and window open for them to be attacked from.
 

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bris said:
The T-90 was apparently classed as one of the best most advanced tanks in the world but have apparntly been destroyed in high numbers. The Armata another classed as a world beating tank is not in Ukrain apparently because they dont have very many of them and dont want to lose them.

Ukrain have captured 2 T-90's

I now assume the information that the captured T-90's secrets will reveal to the CIA and other western integence agencies will it'self be priceless.
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I don't even think the west cares about the t90, it's shown itself to be so **** useless against any nato rocket launcher that it's not even worth looking at
 

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Tanks still have their place on battlefield if used properly - once you take some ground you need to hold it, dug in tanks are fantastic for this if deployed properly.

Tanks still have a place in an assualt with infantry support as well.

Just because Russia has lost a load does not make tanks obsolete IMO

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Anyone seen the video labelled "Ukrainian BTR-4E vehicle firing its 30mm cannon at Russian troops"?

Rather brutal Russians got caught napping.
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Just seen it. Can't imagine how horrific it would be to be on the recieving end of that - 30mm is a big hole to have punched through yourself, never mind the explosive effects
 

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Bellingcrat investigation reveals Russia has used up 70% of its guided missle stocks. And as we know a few days ago the factory that builds missles was burnt down in a fire
 

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Tanks still have their place on battlefield if used properly - once you take some ground you need to hold it, dug in tanks are fantastic for this if deployed properly.

Tanks still have a place in an assualt with infantry support as well.

Just because Russia has lost a load does not make tanks obsolete IMO


Just seen it. Can't imagine how horrific it would be to be on the recieving end of that - 30mm is a big hole to have punched through yourself, never mind the explosive effects
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Wouldn't be any hole just red mist more like

Tanks are absolutely a useful battlefield tool, but only when you have air superiority

but none of this is new the world just wants to forget what has happened in the Middle East over the last 50 years - just look how many russian tanks Israel and the USA has destroyed

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Medina_Ridge
 
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Grim5 said:
Bellingcrat investigation reveals Russia has used up 70% of its guided missle stocks. And as we know a few days ago the factory that builds missles was burnt down in a fire
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Similar was said in March that they were supposedly running low on stocks

https://www.forbes.com/sites/ericte...aling-its-short-of-munitions/?sh=29d09be3632a

The Pentagon reckons Russia has fired over 1,200 missiles into Ukraine. These largely air-launched cruise missiles rely on advanced guidance systems to navigate to, and in some cases detect, their targets. Such precision-guided munitions (PGMs) are expensive, difficult to source and sometimes unreliable — and Russia may be running short of them.



During a Monday background briefing, an unnamed senior defense official told reporters, “we do think that they are beginning to face some inventory issues with precision-guided munitions, which is one reason why you're seeing the increasing use of what we would call dumb bombs.”


That assertion joins with a number of circumstantial observations made in recent days by western think tanks, former military officers and media reports.


Russia’s use of Kh-47M2 Kinzhal hypersonic missiles (the first known use of hypersonic missiles in war) has widely been seen as surprising from a tactical viewpoint. President Biden’s confirmation of use of the weapons Monday, came with the comment that Russia unleashed them “because it’s the only thing that they can get through with absolute certainty.”
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