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Russians getting desperate. Can’t wait for the day when Ukraine capture it all back.
Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar
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Black (in general, let alone VantaBlack) isn't necessarily a particularly useful colour to use; I guess it absorbs light but in general, from below, the sky is blue or at night is lighter than black and from above the ground certainly isn't.
The British Army used to issue black boots but for certain courses (for example a sharpshooter or sniper course etc..) the kit list would specify brown boots. These days issued boots are brown as standard.
That latter part doesn't necessarily need to be drone specific and there isn't really a lack of it in our armed forces at least.
Soldato
Something like this? (not that it's fully developed or deployed anywhere AFAIK... )
I've also wondered why systems for taking out small / medium lightweight drones aren't more common. Definitely seems like a bit of a gap.
Soldato
GPS jamming is pretty common though.
I was talking more in respect to this war in Ukraine and especially the Russian capabilities utilised (or rather not utilised). Though in general it seems something a lot of armies are behind the curve on in terms of developed in use systems aside from some jamming stuff like the tech developed by the Israelis.
That seems on paper a pretty effective system and could have great point defence value i.e. defending a static base - but potentially overkill and a lot more bulk and power required, etc. than needed for defences on a small convoy, etc. mostly they won't need to worry about stuff outside of ~2km so potentially even hot rifle rounds would work with the right tracking system.
Some Russian counter-UAV systems both EW and hard kill variants are starting to appear on the battlefield but they don't seem overly effective.
That seems on paper a pretty effective system and could have great point defence value i.e. defending a static base - but potentially overkill and a lot more bulk and power required, etc. than needed for defences on a small convoy, etc. mostly they won't need to worry about stuff outside of ~2km so potentially even hot rifle rounds would work with the right tracking system.
Some Russian counter-UAV systems both EW and hard kill variants are starting to appear on the battlefield but they don't seem overly effective.
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Soldato
Kinetic capabilities yes not so much but they've got Krasukha out there. One was seized remember?
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I'm sure airburst munitions as that oversized gun was firing would do fine at trashing a fragile drone. They never went out of fashion for anti air purposes whether it was a giant AA shell or a proximity missile.
Demo dodges all the hard part though. Hovering drones could be taken out by a ukranian grandmother with a brick. A small or medium drone moving like a spooked dragonfly at medium range would be quite the challenge to hit without obscenely overkill aoe devices.
Does Russia have anti drone crows?
Depending on what you mean by medium range but with the right tracking and prediction systems even spread bursts of even something like .22 creedmoor via a Gatling system would probably deal with most situations against smaller through to medium size drones - though air-burst is better.
Soldato
Would definitely be a lot harder if they were flying at top speed and dodging all over the place, but surely when you're firing 1000 rounds a minute it just means it takes a couple of seconds more shooting per target and you might have to spread the aim points over a wider area, but you'll still be able to fill the entire volume that the dodging drone might have flown through with shrapnel.
I'd like to see that demonstrated though, video would definitely be more impressive too...
At slightly longer ranges maybe the best solution would really be another drone or very lightweight missile to get up close to actually hit it or detonate a warhead nearby
At longer ranges guided munitions or another drone would probably be the more effective counter. But generally at longer ranges they are to varying degrees less useful or at least less of a direct threat.
There are systems that already exist to shoot down missiles that travel at far higher speeds than drones. It’s a relatively trivial problem for them albeit perhaps a bit overkill.
Should be quite easy to jam any commercial drones dropping grenades or directing artillery etc.. The lighter military type drones can be shot down with MANPADS.
If they get those they can pretty much wipe out every russian ship in the black sea and even the ones docked in crimea
19/05/2022
*Russian Defence Ministry: 771 Ukraininan Fighters From Azovstal Surrendered Over Last 24 Hours — RIA
*Russian Defence Ministry: 1,730 Fighters From Azovstal Plant in Mariupol Have Surrendered Since Monday — RIA
*Swiss Foreign Affairs Department: Switzerland Reopens Its Embassy in Kyiv
*Swiss Foreign Affairs Department: Five FDFA Staff Will Return to Kyiv Over Next Few Days
*Swiss Foreign Affairs Department: Decision Is Based on an in-Depth Analysis of Security Situation in Ukrainian Capital
10:00 Onwards:
*UK: Added 3 New Designations Under the Russia Sanctions Regime
*UK: Introducing New Sanctions Against the Russian Airline Sector
*UK: State-Owned Aeroflot, Ural Airlines and Rossiya Airlines Will Now Be Unable to Sell Their Unused Landing Slots at UK Airports
*Kremlin Aide Oreshkin: Year-End Inflation in Russia Will Not Be Higher Than 15%
*Kremlin Aide Oreshkin: 2022 GDP Fall Will Be No More Than 5%
*Kremlin: If It Is to Open Access to Ukrainian Ports in Response to U.N. Appeal, Removal of Sanctions Will Also Have to Be Looked at — Interfax
*Kremlin: Russia Has No Hope of Launching Nord Stream-2 Pipeline Anytime Soon
*Kremlin: Europe Will Need Nord Stream-2 Gas Pipeline Irrespective of What It Says Now
*European Commission Spokesman: Doing Anything Beyond EU Guidance on Russian Gas Payments Is Not ‘Advisable’
*German Gas Importers Can Open Rouble Accounts to Pay for Russian Gas — Sources
*Opening of Rouble Accounts Is Possible As Long As Payments Are Not Made in Roubles — Sources
*German Finance Minister Lindner: Agreed to 1 bln Euros From Germany in Short-Term Aid for Ukraine
*German Finance Minister Lindner: 1 bln Euros Are Grants
*German Finance Minister Lindner: Cannot Confirm Today That Goal Is to Raise 15 bln Euros for Ukraine
*UK PM Johnson and Ukraine President Agreed to Step Up Work With Allies, Including the US, France and Germany, to Define the Longer-Term Security Architecture for Ukraine- Johnson’s Office
*UK PM Johnson and Ukraine President Looked at Options to Open Up Critical Sea and Land Supply Routes for Ukrainian Grain Stocks- Johnson’s Office
*Ukraine President Zelenskiy Says He Spoke to G7 Finance Ministers, Discussed “Practical Steps to Recover From the Consequences of War”
*Ukraine President Zelenskiy Says Had Phone Call With UK’s Johnson, Discussed Defence Support, Azovstal Evacuation and Ways to Export Agricultural Products From Ukraine
15:00 Onwards:
*French President Macron: Propagation of Russia Ukraine Conflict to Neighbouring Countries Cannot Be Excluded, Moldova Integrity Must Be Protected
*French President Macron: Platform for Support to Moldavia Will Be Mobilised to Give It All the Aid It Needs
*French President Macron: Want EU to Give Quick Opinion on Moldova Request for Membership
*French President Macron: Coming Weeks Must Allow to Give Clear Answer to Moldova
*Head of Russia’s Gazprom Neft Says We Are Redirecting Our Hydrocarbons to Asia, Among Other Routes
*Head of Russia’s Gazprom Neft Says Oil Supplies, Production Could Be Disrupted in Case of Embargo Against Russian Oil
*Senior Chinese Diplomat Wang Yi Says China Proposes to Start Process of Expanding BRICS
*Biden: U.S. Offers Strong Support to Finland and Sweden for Their Bid to Join NATO
*Biden: There’s No Question NATO Is Relevant Today, Needed Now More Than Ever
*Biden: Finland and Sweden Meet All NATO Requirements
*Biden: Our Administration Is Submitting to Congress Thursday Reports on NATO Accession for Both Finland and Sweden
*Finland’s President Niinisto: Finland Will Commit to Turkey’s Security As a NATO Ally
*Finland’s President Niinisto: Open to Discussing Concerns With Turkey About Joining NATO
*Finland’s President Niinisto: Discussions on This Will Continue in Coming Days
*Sweden’s PM Andersson: Talking With All NATO Members Including Turkey to Sort Out Any Issues
*Sweden’s PM Andersson: Sweden Will Meet 2% Threshold of Defense Spending Soon
*MSCI to Discontinue MSCI Russia Select Size & Liquidity 10/40 Index
*MSCI to Discontinue MSCI Rencap Russia Top Liquid Stocks Index
*MSCI to Discontinue MSCI Russia Issuers Capped to 5% Index
*MSCI to Discontinue MSCI Russia Select Size & Liquidity Index
*G7 Draft Communique: G7 Committed to Keeping Markets Open, Enhancing Resilience of Agricultural and Energy Markets in Line With Climate and Environmental Goals
*G7 Draft Communique: G7 Central Banks Closely Monitor Impact of Price Pressures on Inflation Expectations, Will Continue to Appropriately Calibrate Pace of Monetary Policy Tightening in a Data-Dependent and Clearly Communicated Manner
*G7 Draft Communique: G7 Will Continue to Support Greater Resilience of Critical Supply Chains Through Diversification, Investment in Alternative Resources and New Technologies, Including Critical Minerals and Renewable Energies
*EXCLUSIVE- U.S. Officials: U.S. Actively Working to Secure Supplies to Ukraine of Long-Range Anti-Ship Missiles to Help Defeat Russia’s Black Sea Blockade
18:00 Onwards:
*Majority of U.S. Senate Backs $40 bln in Ukraine Aid, Sending Bill for Biden to Sign Into Law; Voting Continues
*Yellen: G7 Finance Leaders Did Not Discuss Increasing Central Bank Inflation Targets
*Yellen: U.S. Ukraine Aid Bill Contains $7.5 Billion of Pure Economic Support, European Commission Has Pledge 9 Billion Euros
*Yellen: G7 Finance Leaders Pledged to Provide Ukraine “the Resources That They Need to Get Through This”
*Yellen Says No Obvious Strategy Has Emerged in Discussions on Russian Oil Price Caps, Tariffs and Embargoes to Reduce Moscow’s Oil Revenues
*Finland’s President Niinisto: Meeting With Biden Was an Immensely Convincing Expression of Support for US
*Finland’s President Niinisto: We Appreciate U.S. Ability to React if There Would Be Need to React
*Finland’s President Niinisto: We Need to Go Through Turkey’s Demands One by One and Provide Answers to Them
*Finland’s President Niinisto Says, Referring to His Earlier Call With Russian President Putin, That There Is Not Much Hope of Achieving Peace in Ukraine at the Moment
*Finland’s President Niinisto: Flexibility Is Most Important in Terms of Military Exercises With NATO or Bringing in Military Equipment
*Finland’s President Niinisto: We Should Not Give Reason for Anyone to Overreact
*Finland’s President Niinisto: Believes High Level Contacts Will Be Needed to Address Turkey’s Concerns
*Finland’s President Niinisto: It Is Not Clear to Me That Turkey Would Have More Demands Towards Sweden Than Finland
*Finland’s President Niinisto: Sweden’s Cause Is Our Cause, Our Causes Are Shared
*U.S. Secretary of State Blinken Says He Has Authorized $100 Million in Additional U.S. Arms, Equipment and Supplies for Ukraine
*U.S. National Security Adviser Sullivan: U.S. Will Work Very Closely With Finland and Sweden to Deter Any Aggression Against Either of Them
*U.S. National Security Adviser Sullivan: Thinks Turkey’s Concerns Can Be Worked Through and Resolved
*U.S. National Security Adviser Sullivan: U.S. Has No Plans Now to Engage Directly With Turkey’s Erdogan Over NATO
*White House: Does Not Expect It Will Need to Revisit F16 Deal With Turkey As Part of NATO Negotiations Over Finland, Sweden
*White House: Biden Will Sign Ukraine Funding Bill While Traveling in Asia
*White House: Step by China to Replenish Its Strategic Reserves With Russian Oil Would Not Contravene U.S. Sanctions
*EU’s von Der Leyen Tells German TV EU Has Lawyers Looking For Ways of Using Frozen Assets of Russian Oligarchs to Fund Ukrainian Reconstruction
*Russian Defence Ministry: 771 Ukraininan Fighters From Azovstal Surrendered Over Last 24 Hours — RIA
*Russian Defence Ministry: 1,730 Fighters From Azovstal Plant in Mariupol Have Surrendered Since Monday — RIA
*Swiss Foreign Affairs Department: Switzerland Reopens Its Embassy in Kyiv
*Swiss Foreign Affairs Department: Five FDFA Staff Will Return to Kyiv Over Next Few Days
*Swiss Foreign Affairs Department: Decision Is Based on an in-Depth Analysis of Security Situation in Ukrainian Capital
10:00 Onwards:
*UK: Added 3 New Designations Under the Russia Sanctions Regime
*UK: Introducing New Sanctions Against the Russian Airline Sector
*UK: State-Owned Aeroflot, Ural Airlines and Rossiya Airlines Will Now Be Unable to Sell Their Unused Landing Slots at UK Airports
*Kremlin Aide Oreshkin: Year-End Inflation in Russia Will Not Be Higher Than 15%
*Kremlin Aide Oreshkin: 2022 GDP Fall Will Be No More Than 5%
*Kremlin: If It Is to Open Access to Ukrainian Ports in Response to U.N. Appeal, Removal of Sanctions Will Also Have to Be Looked at — Interfax
*Kremlin: Russia Has No Hope of Launching Nord Stream-2 Pipeline Anytime Soon
*Kremlin: Europe Will Need Nord Stream-2 Gas Pipeline Irrespective of What It Says Now
*European Commission Spokesman: Doing Anything Beyond EU Guidance on Russian Gas Payments Is Not ‘Advisable’
*German Gas Importers Can Open Rouble Accounts to Pay for Russian Gas — Sources
*Opening of Rouble Accounts Is Possible As Long As Payments Are Not Made in Roubles — Sources
*German Finance Minister Lindner: Agreed to 1 bln Euros From Germany in Short-Term Aid for Ukraine
*German Finance Minister Lindner: 1 bln Euros Are Grants
*German Finance Minister Lindner: Cannot Confirm Today That Goal Is to Raise 15 bln Euros for Ukraine
*UK PM Johnson and Ukraine President Agreed to Step Up Work With Allies, Including the US, France and Germany, to Define the Longer-Term Security Architecture for Ukraine- Johnson’s Office
*UK PM Johnson and Ukraine President Looked at Options to Open Up Critical Sea and Land Supply Routes for Ukrainian Grain Stocks- Johnson’s Office
*Ukraine President Zelenskiy Says He Spoke to G7 Finance Ministers, Discussed “Practical Steps to Recover From the Consequences of War”
*Ukraine President Zelenskiy Says Had Phone Call With UK’s Johnson, Discussed Defence Support, Azovstal Evacuation and Ways to Export Agricultural Products From Ukraine
15:00 Onwards:
*French President Macron: Propagation of Russia Ukraine Conflict to Neighbouring Countries Cannot Be Excluded, Moldova Integrity Must Be Protected
*French President Macron: Platform for Support to Moldavia Will Be Mobilised to Give It All the Aid It Needs
*French President Macron: Want EU to Give Quick Opinion on Moldova Request for Membership
*French President Macron: Coming Weeks Must Allow to Give Clear Answer to Moldova
*Head of Russia’s Gazprom Neft Says We Are Redirecting Our Hydrocarbons to Asia, Among Other Routes
*Head of Russia’s Gazprom Neft Says Oil Supplies, Production Could Be Disrupted in Case of Embargo Against Russian Oil
*Senior Chinese Diplomat Wang Yi Says China Proposes to Start Process of Expanding BRICS
*Biden: U.S. Offers Strong Support to Finland and Sweden for Their Bid to Join NATO
*Biden: There’s No Question NATO Is Relevant Today, Needed Now More Than Ever
*Biden: Finland and Sweden Meet All NATO Requirements
*Biden: Our Administration Is Submitting to Congress Thursday Reports on NATO Accession for Both Finland and Sweden
*Finland’s President Niinisto: Finland Will Commit to Turkey’s Security As a NATO Ally
*Finland’s President Niinisto: Open to Discussing Concerns With Turkey About Joining NATO
*Finland’s President Niinisto: Discussions on This Will Continue in Coming Days
*Sweden’s PM Andersson: Talking With All NATO Members Including Turkey to Sort Out Any Issues
*Sweden’s PM Andersson: Sweden Will Meet 2% Threshold of Defense Spending Soon
*MSCI to Discontinue MSCI Russia Select Size & Liquidity 10/40 Index
*MSCI to Discontinue MSCI Rencap Russia Top Liquid Stocks Index
*MSCI to Discontinue MSCI Russia Issuers Capped to 5% Index
*MSCI to Discontinue MSCI Russia Select Size & Liquidity Index
*G7 Draft Communique: G7 Committed to Keeping Markets Open, Enhancing Resilience of Agricultural and Energy Markets in Line With Climate and Environmental Goals
*G7 Draft Communique: G7 Central Banks Closely Monitor Impact of Price Pressures on Inflation Expectations, Will Continue to Appropriately Calibrate Pace of Monetary Policy Tightening in a Data-Dependent and Clearly Communicated Manner
*G7 Draft Communique: G7 Will Continue to Support Greater Resilience of Critical Supply Chains Through Diversification, Investment in Alternative Resources and New Technologies, Including Critical Minerals and Renewable Energies
*EXCLUSIVE- U.S. Officials: U.S. Actively Working to Secure Supplies to Ukraine of Long-Range Anti-Ship Missiles to Help Defeat Russia’s Black Sea Blockade
18:00 Onwards:
*Majority of U.S. Senate Backs $40 bln in Ukraine Aid, Sending Bill for Biden to Sign Into Law; Voting Continues
*Yellen: G7 Finance Leaders Did Not Discuss Increasing Central Bank Inflation Targets
*Yellen: U.S. Ukraine Aid Bill Contains $7.5 Billion of Pure Economic Support, European Commission Has Pledge 9 Billion Euros
*Yellen: G7 Finance Leaders Pledged to Provide Ukraine “the Resources That They Need to Get Through This”
*Yellen Says No Obvious Strategy Has Emerged in Discussions on Russian Oil Price Caps, Tariffs and Embargoes to Reduce Moscow’s Oil Revenues
*Finland’s President Niinisto: Meeting With Biden Was an Immensely Convincing Expression of Support for US
*Finland’s President Niinisto: We Appreciate U.S. Ability to React if There Would Be Need to React
*Finland’s President Niinisto: We Need to Go Through Turkey’s Demands One by One and Provide Answers to Them
*Finland’s President Niinisto Says, Referring to His Earlier Call With Russian President Putin, That There Is Not Much Hope of Achieving Peace in Ukraine at the Moment
*Finland’s President Niinisto: Flexibility Is Most Important in Terms of Military Exercises With NATO or Bringing in Military Equipment
*Finland’s President Niinisto: We Should Not Give Reason for Anyone to Overreact
*Finland’s President Niinisto: Believes High Level Contacts Will Be Needed to Address Turkey’s Concerns
*Finland’s President Niinisto: It Is Not Clear to Me That Turkey Would Have More Demands Towards Sweden Than Finland
*Finland’s President Niinisto: Sweden’s Cause Is Our Cause, Our Causes Are Shared
*U.S. Secretary of State Blinken Says He Has Authorized $100 Million in Additional U.S. Arms, Equipment and Supplies for Ukraine
*U.S. National Security Adviser Sullivan: U.S. Will Work Very Closely With Finland and Sweden to Deter Any Aggression Against Either of Them
*U.S. National Security Adviser Sullivan: Thinks Turkey’s Concerns Can Be Worked Through and Resolved
*U.S. National Security Adviser Sullivan: U.S. Has No Plans Now to Engage Directly With Turkey’s Erdogan Over NATO
*White House: Does Not Expect It Will Need to Revisit F16 Deal With Turkey As Part of NATO Negotiations Over Finland, Sweden
*White House: Biden Will Sign Ukraine Funding Bill While Traveling in Asia
*White House: Step by China to Replenish Its Strategic Reserves With Russian Oil Would Not Contravene U.S. Sanctions
*EU’s von Der Leyen Tells German TV EU Has Lawyers Looking For Ways of Using Frozen Assets of Russian Oligarchs to Fund Ukrainian Reconstruction
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