Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

[bris]

The way so many hated on Chinese during the pandemic, the way the decade before that people hated on muslims and now its time to hate on Russians...Understandably ofcourse.

Until we find the next lot to hate.

I don't know anyone who hated the Chinese during the pandemeic, Chump Trump tried to push that on his moronic simple minded fans though.

I don't hate Russians either, the vast majority of Russians would be appalledif they knew the reat truth.

I do hate the ones who support this war though, don't you?

The next lot? If there is another lot that start indiscriminately killing innocent people and destroying their very existance then yes I will hate those too.

 

[bris]

Why would Russia want to agree to this after committing so much, Surely Russia will want to keep what they have taken.
I know the media war is in full effect and people here believe Russia is down to it's last few soldiers but if they were then Zelensky wouldn't be asking for peace.

Because the war will never end and the Russian state will deteriorate very quickly due to the sanctions.
Sure their central bank and their energy and oil is helping just now but with everyone scrambling to find alternatives that won't last long.

The West will keep Ukrain armed for a long time, the Russians time will be running out, the way they are burning through their missiles and armoured vehicles.

Zelenski is asking for peace because he is trying to save whats left of his country and save the lives of his people, Putin on the other hand doesn't give a **** about anything and will see his men die and citizens suffer just to satisfy his ego.

 

[Scougar]

The weird thing, is that the be right wing in the USA is taken with "Russia is anti-globalist", and support Russia. It is the most bizarre stuff. The conspiracy networks working overtime to hook them in.

 

[Rroff]

Heh:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1528358951456100353

Not so funny though really they got within ~6 miles of the outskirts IIRC.

 

[Lord-Jaffa]

Because the war will never end and the Russian state will deteriorate very quickly due to the sanctions.
Sure their central bank and their energy and oil is helping just now but with everyone scrambling to find alternatives that won't last long.

The West will keep Ukrain armed for a long time, the Russians time will be running out, the way they are burning through their missiles and armoured vehicles.

Zelenski is asking for peace because he is trying to save whats left of his country and save the lives of his people, Putin on the other hand doesn't give a **** about anything and will see his men die and citizens suffer just to satisfy his ego.

Sanctions are minor at best, Russia is one of the few countries in the world that can feed itself, supply its own energy needs and its own military production.

Could easily argue that the sanctions and war in general have hurt the citizens of Europe more and with a worse longer term outlook.

 

[woppy101]

its own military production.

With T34s maybe, but not with high technology armaments

 

[Lord-Jaffa]

With T34s maybe, but not with high technology armaments

Really? They aren't sourcing their chips from the EU or the US, the rest of the world doesn't seem to care about the conflict.

 

[Rroff]

With T34s maybe, but not with high technology armaments

Although there is the whole thing about them being unable to build a tractor... Russia is fully capable of building modern(ish) tanks fully domestically the only thing which would be a problem for them is semiconductors - their domestic industry can't produce anything at the scale required without spending years ramping and even then is 10+ years behind the latest stuff. They can still put together stuff like export spec T-72s though.

Really? They aren't sourcing their chips from the EU or the US, the rest of the world doesn't seem to care about the conflict.

Most of the major semiconductor fab companies are under the US's thumb or linked to the EU - China's domestic production is still behind the bleeding edge and they wouldn't have a lot to spare for export to Russia.

EDIT: In fact Russia's most bleeding edge fab relies heavily on Western sourced parts for maintenance and production so likely they wouldn't be able to produce anything smaller than ~180nm, possibly only 350nm (which is early 90s tech) in any real quantity.

 

[d_brennen]

Sanctions are minor at best, Russia is one of the few countries in the world that can feed itself, supply its own energy needs and its own military production.

Could easily argue that the sanctions and war in general have hurt the citizens of Europe more and with a worse longer term outlook.

They can't make any more large ships like the ones they lost recently, Ukraine makes the engines Russia is a pariah and rightly so

 

[Hagar]

Sanctions are minor at best, Russia is one of the few countries in the world that can feed itself, supply its own energy needs and its own military production.

Could easily argue that the sanctions and war in general have hurt the citizens of Europe more and with a worse longer term outlook.

If you like potatoes, bread and beets.

 

[d_brennen]

Although there is the whole thing about them being unable to build a tractor... Russia is fully capable of building modern(ish) tanks fully domestically the only thing which would be a problem for them is semi-onductors - their domestic industry can't produce anything at the scale required without spending years ramping and even then is 10+ years behind the latest stuff. They can still put together stuff like export spec T-72s though.



Most of the major semiconductor fab companies are under the US's thumb or linked to the EU - China's domestic production is still behind the bleeding edge and they wouldn't have a lot to spare for export to Russia.

In this kind of warfare, without air superiority, tanks are just cooking pots anyway. Ukraine's use of drones has shown up old man thinking on warfare, plentiful supplies of man portable anti-armour is costing Russia dearly

 

[Hotwired]

Sanctions are minor at best, Russia is one of the few countries in the world that can feed itself, supply its own energy needs and its own military production.

Could easily argue that the sanctions and war in general have hurt the citizens of Europe more and with a worse longer term outlook.

No it cannot.

Russia doesn't do the microchips it needs. It also imports other sophisticated parts it needs for high end weapons.

Factory producing tanks: https://fortune.com/2022/03/22/russian-tank-manufacturer-sanctions-ukraine-war/

Factory producing anti-air and radar: https://en.defence-ua.com/news/ulya...own_production_defense_intelligence-2582.html

Are you thinking they can fall back to stamping out AKs and ww2 grade weapons without transistor electronics.

 

[dlockers]

Although there is the whole thing about them being unable to build a tractor... Russia is fully capable of building modern(ish) tanks fully domestically the only thing which would be a problem for them is semi-onductors - their domestic industry can't produce anything at the scale required without spending years ramping and even then is 10+ years behind the latest stuff. They can still put together stuff like export spec T-72s though.



Most of the major semiconductor fab companies are under the US's thumb or linked to the EU - China's domestic production is still behind the bleeding edge and they wouldn't have a lot to spare for export to Russia.

So they can't build them domestically then?

 

[Rroff]

So they can't build them domestically then?

Why I put modern(ish) - an export spec T-72 is still reasonably modern kind of though it would lose to pretty much anything in the 3rd generation tank list.

No it cannot.

Russia doesn't do the microchips it needs. It also imports other sophisticated parts it needs for high end weapons.

Factory producing tanks: https://fortune.com/2022/03/22/russian-tank-manufacturer-sanctions-ukraine-war/

Factory producing anti-air and radar: https://en.defence-ua.com/news/ulya...own_production_defense_intelligence-2582.html

Are you thinking they can fall back to stamping out AKs and ww2 grade weapons without transistor electronics.

There is a difference there between run out of parts and can't do anything ever again and run out of parts and has to suspend operations until they can get replacement part production, etc. online. Russia can produce a full range of discrete electronic components and up to 90s level semiconductors domestically - in theory up to 65nm but in reality doubtful they can continue that without Western sourced parts and supplies and even the older nodes will take a lot of effort, lots of new industry and building experience, etc. to switch to fully domestic production at any scale.

 

[Minstadave]

Why I put modern(ish) - an export spec T-72 is still reasonably modern kind of though it would lose to pretty much anything in the 3rd generation tank list.

Or a milk float that launches Brimstones

 

[Lord-Jaffa]

No it cannot.

Russia doesn't do the microchips it needs. It also imports other sophisticated parts it needs for high end weapons.

Factory producing tanks: https://fortune.com/2022/03/22/russian-tank-manufacturer-sanctions-ukraine-war/

Factory producing anti-air and radar: https://en.defence-ua.com/news/ulya...own_production_defense_intelligence-2582.html

Are you thinking they can fall back to stamping out AKs and ww2 grade weapons without transistor electronics.

Artillery is the weapon of choice in this conflict. I know its fashionable to defend Ukraine and attack anything Russian in this thread, but the reality is Russia is very self sufficient, far more so than any EU nation.

 

[StriderX]

The problem for Russia is their overreliance on Western machinery and software. Due to this uncomfortable reality their ability to produce will diminish and any attempt to circumvent or delay this will come at immense cost.

Since they've made no progress on investing in human capital and domestic industries that are more complex than resource extraction it was apparent that their country was already on a path to cascading failure. Sanctions can only accelerate this and force the Kremlin to do something they fear by investing in creating an opposition to it's authority with a more intelligent workforce.

 

[Hotwired]

Artillery is the weapon of choice in this conflict. I know its fashionable to defend Ukraine and attack anything Russian in this thread, but the reality is Russia is very self sufficient, far more so than any EU nation.

There is a difference between weapon of choice and the weapon you have left.

Thousands of destroyed and almost thousands of captured russian vehicles in a very short time are evidence that actually no, artillery was not ever the weapon of choice.

It is the one that is left.

More importantly, the vehicles which have been destroyed in their thousands are the ones which have their production shut down from lack of foreign parts. This greatly undermines what you say that russia is capable of being militarily self sufficient. Artillery is neither being devastated or as difficult to replace as a front line tank.

 

[Dis86]

Artillery is the weapon of choice in this conflict. I know its fashionable to defend Ukraine and attack anything Russian in this thread, but the reality is Russia is very self sufficient, far more so than any EU nation.

They were literally breaking down white goods for the electronics within

 

[bingham67]

What if blueprints were given to yanks for Ukraine style tanks to be made then ship them over to Ukraine.