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Poll: United States presidential election 2016 (Clinton Vs. Trump)

Discussion in 'Speaker's Corner' started by nightrider1470, Jul 31, 2015.

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Who would you like to become the next president of the US?

Poll closed Nov 8, 2016.
  1. Donald Trump

    35.8%
  2. Hillary Clinton

    64.2%
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  1. Tosno

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    It's the gift that keeps on giving

    The abc poll that had hillary up 12 pts just 5 days ago, it's now at 2 pts, 10 pt swing in 5 days and that's before the FBI story.

    12 to 6 to 4 to 2 :cool:
     
  2. Raymond Lin

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    But do you think he can win Arizona, Utah, Georgia, North Carolina, New Hampshire, Florida, Pennsylvania, Nevada, Maine and the consequence of losing 1, any one of those is game over.

    What odds do you give that?
     
  3. dowie

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    that's what you concluded form his objection, you missed the % of funds spent on salaries?

    he seems to be objecting on the basis of a significant portion (in that case the majority) of funds being spent on pay not the fact that people are paid

    now whether that is a valid objection or not I'm not sure of - in the case with 80% spent on salaries perhaps that is the pay of people actually performing the charity work as opposed to admin/management staff
     
  4. dowie

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    on the subject of the thread the election could well rest on how this e-mail story is spun

    though I predicted a Hillary win in Burnsey's prediction thread many months ago I think if they get back to even in the polls then it will probably go to Trump for reasons similar to the silent Tory effect.

    then again if the FBI issue a further clarification about this e-mail issue that can put an end to some of the speculation and Hillary can put the issue behind her then she's probably going to win
     
  5. Raymond Lin

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    What is a good percentage to spend on salaries?
     
  6. dowie

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    I don't know

    I'm simply pointing out that you've clearly missed deuse's main objection which was rather obviously the 80% on salaries

    perhaps he can answer what he thinks a reasonable % would be in order for him to donate, it isn't something I've looked into too deeply when making donations
     
  7. Raymond Lin

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    You don't know yet when he objects to 80% it's valid?
     
  8. StriderX

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    He wins if he gets within reach of victory but loses because of the system.

    Don't forget, that the its not Donald that is the issue here, he is the only thing keeping mid-america from believing their country is dead and should be overthrown.
     
  9. Raymond Lin

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    Donald is part of that very system.

    A rich guy who openly brags about bribing politicians to get favours in return. You think he is the guy who will change the system? Pleaseeeeee
     
  10. jsmoke

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    Just watched a docu called Hacking Democracy about the polling machines and how a) Nobody seems able to see the code used, not Government officals or even the company who make the machines(somebody must write the code somewhere, and b) How easy it is to hack/manipulate the machines after they are set up. I personally find it hard or distribuing to think the machines have been manipulated but you never know.
     
  11. Mulder

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    It's true. In fact there's a petition with >100k signatures calling for their removal. Here.
     
  12. StriderX

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    He wont change anything, which is why he isnt important here, just a very badly chosen valve to control their anger.
     
  13. dowie

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    I didn't claim it is valid, I think you need to read posts a bit more carefully.

    I pointed out that it was obviously the 80% he was referring to rather than simply the fact charities have employees.

    I didn't claim that the objection is valid - if you look back up to the previous post I've already mentioned this:

     
  14. DangerMoose

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    Surely they are not really likely to even make much difference to the outcome of the previous investigation anyway, unless they either find considerably more classified material than they already did, clearly marked with the correct headers and sent by Clinton herself. Either that or some sign that there was deliberate attempts to distribute said material to unauthorised persons.

    The whole situation is truly bizarre though and it seems to be quite widely held that he has deviated from accepted practices in acting in such a way as to likely influence the outcome of an election.
     
  15. tang0

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    Trump Beating Hillary By 4% In Early Michigan Absentee Returns

    http://westmipolitics.blogspot.co.uk/2016/10/breaking-trump-beating-hillary-by-4-in.html?m=1


    190,000 Republicans have turned in ballots vs. only 170,000 Dems. Nearly 160,000 independent/unaffiliated voters have also cast ballots, a group Trump consistently leads with in nearly every poll.

    Those numbers translate to:

    Trump/R: 36.5%
    Hillary/D: 32.6 %
    Independent/Unaffiliated/Non-Primary voters: 30.9%

    Wow, and Colorado is supposed to be a blue state, maybe he can afford to lose a few of those swing states..
     
  16. Freakbro

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    OMG, it's all a conspiracy!!1! the timing of this announcement is just political and designed to discredit Hillary....its all baseless accusations....the establishment and the MSM have got it in for her!!!

    Isn't that how it goes? Seems they are the howls from the Trumpanzeees every time something comes out about Donald.

    Also, this doesn't quite fit with their other narrative that the FBI, establishment and MSM are all in cahoots to protect Hillary.

    I suppose when you have an incoherent message it's not surprising when it's completely contradictory
     
  17. Skunkworks

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    The Clinpanzeees are just so above it all.
     
  18. StriderX

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    It doesnt matter that Trump is incoherent, that is essentially acceptable to his supporters, and very bad for Clinton as he doesnt really lose support long term.
     
  19. DangerMoose

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    What would be particularly fun is if they can somehow get this cleared up quickly and establish that the emails contain nothing of relevance. Hillary might take a bit of a hit from the mere mention of emails yet again but Donald and the gang may very well have overplayed their hand and lost some of the rigging narrative in the process.

    Mind you, I'd be somewhat surprised if this does substantially more than to lose her a point or so in popular and maybe a lesser swing state or two. Die hard Hillary voters are unlikely to give two ****s, Some undecided leaning towards her camp might be pushed away. But I find it hard to believe that many other than Donald's baying mob will come away from this thinking that it is likely to be a whole load of nothing to see here. Hillary herself is going for the put up or shut up angle and that does not track with her somewhat more evasive stance on it in previous airings of this particular dirty laundry. I think she genuinely does not believe that there is anything more inflammatory than they have already found.
     
  20. tang0

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    Hate this smug intellectually superior attitude coming from the other side. Pretty much half of America is voting for Trump because they're fed up with all the crap, and people like you label his supporters as Trumpanzeees etc, as though there's only this small minority of people that are voting for him. You're denigrating millions of people that include doctors, nurses, lawers, architects, firemen, policemen etc
     
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