Universal no longer hd-dvd exclusive.

[Dolph]

Where have you been getting your info from?

The vast majority of blu-ray disks don't use region coding, the drm is no more than hd-dvd has, was cracked ages ago, and has no effect on you playing legal movies in the player. The interactivity with java is considered better than that of microsofts hdi. And why is not having an ethernet connection for firmware updates madness when 90% of the population wouldn't use it, or even know what it is? It's hardly as if the firmware updates would ever include anything important.

Hmmm, what a pile of misinformation. HD-DVD does not use region coding (although there is the option, it's not used at present), Blu-ray has BD+ and mandatory AACS, whereas HD-DVD has optional AACS (it's possible to release an HD-DVD without copy protection, it is not possible to do the same with Blu-ray), HD-DVD makes managed copy support mandatory for all discs, with blu-ray it's optional (which does effect your legal rights in terms of how you can use the content), BD-J has been added to some players via firmware update (proving that it does include important things) and so on.

There is a reason why studios like blu-ray more than HD-DVD, after all.

So where are you getting your information from?

 

[Energize]

Hmmm, what a pile of misinformation. HD-DVD does not use region coding, Blu-ray has BD+ and mandatory AACS, whereas HD-DVD has optional AACS (it's possible to release an HD-DVD without copy protection, it is not possible to do the same with Blu-ray), HD-DVD makes managed copy support mandatory for all discs, with blu-ray it's optional (which does effect your legal rights in terms of how you can use the content), BD-J has been added to some players via firmware update (proving that it does include important things) and so on.

There is a reason why studios like blu-ray more than HD-DVD, after all.

So where are you getting your information from?

Where did I say hd-dvd used region coding? Nowhere.

How many hd-dvds have been released with no aacs then?

BD+ along with aacs has been cracked and gives no hassle to legitimate users, however bd+ releases are limited anyway at the moment.

From now on, there isn't really anything to add to the players, which is why firmware updates are going to be of limited use. The java playback had been planned from the beggining and the grace profile the old players were using was not intended to be used for long.

Everyone managed without ethernet on dvd players, and I see no reason why it is required on blu-ray players. But like I said it will be added anyway to later models.

 

[Raider]

http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/10/universal-hd-dvd-exclusivity-contract-has-expired-sits-non-rene/

"More news from the format war today, and it isn't good for the red camp. Daily Variety has confirmed that Universal's agreement to stick with HD DVD has ended and has not been renewed. Additionally, Paramount has an escape clause in its contract that can be exercised following Warner's departure from the (now dwindling) HD DVD ranks. The article highlights various ongoing commitments both companies have to the format, but we've heard these kind of promises before from studios. It's feeling like a party where everyone leaves at once; nobody wants to be the first out the door, but everyone's looking in that direction."

About time tbh.

That news is now 2 days old and Universal has already issued a statement saying that they won't be ditching HD-DVD anytime soon.

Doesn't mean they won't go dual format though..

 

[kmufc77]

Where did I say hd-dvd used region coding? Nowhere.

How many hd-dvds have been released with no aacs then?

BD+ along with aacs has been cracked and gives no hassle to legitimate users.

From now on, there isn't really anything to add to the players, which is why firmware updates are going to be of limited use. The java playback had been planned from the beggining and the grace profile the old players were using was not intended to be used for long.

i read somewhere that some future releases will not run on some blueray players so a firmware update will be needed so unless you have a ps3 how can it be done?

 

[Dolph]

Where did I say hd-dvd used region coding? Nowhere.

How many hd-dvds have been released with no aacs then?

Doesn't matter. The simple fact that's it's possible to do within the spec makes it more consumer friendly, and the presence of BD+ means that you are simply wrong about the DRM being the same.

BD+ along with aacs has been cracked and gives no hassle to legitimate users, however bd+ releases are limited anyway at the moment.

Cracking is irrelevant to the number of layers of DRM applied. BD+ combined with a lack of managed copy means that Blu-ray discs are significantly more locked down than HD-DVD from the point of view of a legitimate consumer.

From now on, there isn't really anything to add to the players, which is why firmware updates are going to be of limited use. The java playback had been planned from the beggining and the grace profile the old players were using was not intended to be used for long.

Everyone managed without ethernet on dvd players, and I see no reason why it is required on blu-ray players. But like I said it will be added anyway to later models.

Do all firmware updates for motherboards etc add features? Remember what both a BR and HD player effectively are, and then think again why firmware updates are useful. A dvd player and an HD player may look the same, but that's where the similarity inside ends.

http://www.engadget.com/2006/04/16/toshiba-hd-a1-hd-dvd-player-goes-topless/

 

[Energize]

Cracking is irrelevant to the number of layers of DRM applied. BD+ combined with a lack of managed copy means that Blu-ray discs are significantly more locked down than HD-DVD from the point of view of a legitimate consumer.

But it doesn't affect the consumer, disks still player in the player, and can be ripped, therefore makes no difference and can't be used as an argument against buying blu-ray. Not having to release hd-dvds with aacs isn't an advantage to anyone when aacs has been cracked, and all the movies are still released with it anyway.

 

[Dolph]

But it doesn't affect the consumer, disks still player in the player, and can be ripped, therefore makes no difference and can't be used as an argument against buying blu-ray.

I'm not using it as an argument against buying blu-ray. You're just making incorrect statements in your comparisons trying to encourage people to buy blu-ray. If you'd have said it didn't matter, I wouldn't have replied, but you didn't, you gave a list of incorrect or inaccurate information that simply doesn't stand up to scrutiny.

You're far more likely to convince people if you're honest about the differences so they can evaluate them fairly. The lack of mandatory managed copy will affect the consumer in future, especially with current laws on breaking copy protection. This renders the argument that the drm has been cracked irrelevant. It's not about what you can do illegally, but what you can legally do.

 

[Energize]

Apparantly blu-ray has adopted mandatory managed copy.

http://www.afterdawn.com/glossary/terms/mandatory_managed_copy.cfm

http://www.engadgethd.com/2005/10/23/mandatory-managed-copy-confirmed-in-as-a-part-of-blu-ray/

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20051117-5592.html

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/pos...-ray-managed-copy-coming-later-this-year.html

Though if hd-dvd charges for it, you may as well rip to pc anyway. As a movie consumer, none of these differences between blu-ray and hd-dvd will affect me, thats for sure.

 

[james.miller]

managed copy will make little difference to anybody. i bet virtually nobody out there knows about it anyway and even if they did, very few would be bothered by it. however, if it allows us to legally do what we already do anyway, then all for the better really.

firmware though, well, a lot of earlier players have needed firmware updated to add HD audio bitstreaming ect, so i dont agree that it isnt needed. it may become less of an issue in the future, but bdlive will ensure all new players will have a net conenction anyway, so it definitely wont be an issue then.

The lack of mandatory managed copy will affect the consumer in future, especially with current laws on breaking copy protection. This renders the argument that the drm has been cracked irrelevant. It's not about what you can do illegally, but what you can legally do.

that will only affect people with pc's trying to play there perfectly legal hd discs while we continue to have issues with playback. it makes no difference to people using standalone players.

 

[kmufc77]

managed copy will make little difference to anybody. i bet virtually nobody out there knows about it anyway and even if they did, very few would be bothered by it. however, if it allows us to legally do what we already do anyway, then all for the better really.

firmware though, well, a lot of earlier plays have needed firmware updated to add HD audio bitstreaming ect, so i dont agree that it isnt needed. it may become less of an issue in the future, but bdlive will ensure all new players will have a net conenction anyway, so it definately wont be an issue then.

its a issue when millions of standalone blue ray players havent a ethernet connection needed to update firmware for future playback. sure im sure sony will release future players with a ethernet connection, thats nice of them isnt it, will they let existing owners of standalone blu ray players have a free upgrade to the new players when and if they are released no i dont think so

 

[NightSt@lk3r]

Thats just being pathetic and cutting your nose off to spite your face

i have no intention of buying HD-DVD let alone something from sony, i personaly think Digital Distropution is the future and will just wait for that time to come.

 

[james.miller]

its a issue when millions of standalone blue ray players havent a ethernet connection needed to update firmware for future playback. sure im sure sony will release future players with a ethernet connection, thats nice of them isnt it, will they let existing owners of standalone blu ray players have a free upgrade to the new players when and if they are released no i dont think so

why are you blaiming sony? afaik, those standalone players without an ethernet connection arent just made by sony are they?as you might know, the cheapest BD player for a long time also happens to be one of the best, already has bdlive (bluray 2.0) under the belt and has an ethernet connection.....and its made by sony. ps. it also plays games.

 

[Dolph]

Apparantly blu-ray has adopted mandatory managed copy.

http://www.afterdawn.com/glossary/terms/mandatory_managed_copy.cfm

http://www.engadgethd.com/2005/10/23/mandatory-managed-copy-confirmed-in-as-a-part-of-blu-ray/

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20051117-5592.html

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/pos...-ray-managed-copy-coming-later-this-year.html

Though if hd-dvd charges for it, you may as well rip to pc anyway. As a movie consumer, none of these differences between blu-ray and hd-dvd will affect me, thats for sure.

Would appear they have, in which case I'll withdraw that part of the debate

I doubt they'll effect me that much either but that doesn't mean I don't have my thoughts on it.

 

[Energize]

will they let existing owners of standalone blu ray players have a free upgrade to the new players when and if they are released no i dont think so

Would you expect nvidia to give you a free upgrade to an 8800gtx because the 7950gtx you bought earlier in the year didn't support dx10? Of course not. If people buy stuff as soon as it comes out, they obviously aren't going to get the benefits of the future advancements.

 

[kmufc77]

Would you expect nvidia to give you a free upgrade to an 8800gtx because the 7950gtx you bought earlier in the year didn't support dx10? Of course not. If people buy stuff as soon as it comes out, they obviously aren't going to get the benefits of the future advancements.

you really are a blueray fan boy arent you. i assume you own a blue ray drive player so if you do remember that stupid statement when you have buy a brand new £300 player which will only do what you exsiting player does but with some more add on menus nice deal. but if you had a HD drive you have to NOTHING!

 

[james.miller]

... if you do remember that stupid statement when you have buy a brand new £300 player which will only do what you exsiting player does but with some more add on menus nice deal.

do you think he'd be bothered about some shiny new menu stuff for £300? remember, the movies will play regardless. can you not try to have a reasonable debate without calling people fanboys. i cant see anything he's said that warrants the label?

 

[kmufc77]

do you think he'd be bothered about some shiny new menu stuff for £300? remember, the movies will play regardless.

i cannot be bothered lol read what i have wrote you will still have to buy a new player that does exactly the same things as the old player execpt the new player will be able to download firmware thats nice of sony to make you buy a new player just to play the same movies becasue they didnt include a ethernet port on older models think of the money sony will get from exisitng owners having to buy new player thats really fair isnt it

 

[james.miller]

i cannot be bothered lol

sound argument you have there

 

[kmufc77]

sound argument you have there

lol funny guy

 

[Energize]

you really are a blueray fan boy arent you.

No need to be childish here.

i assume you own a blue ray drive player

No, I'm intelligent enough not to buy something that I can't afford to replace before the specifications have been finalised, the prices are reasonable, and it has become the mainstream format.

so if you do remember that stupid statement when you have buy a brand new £300 player which will only do what you exsiting player does but with some more add on menus nice deal. but if you had a HD drive you have to NOTHING!

Lol. The players aren't even £300. And I will be buying an £80 blu-ray drive for my pc, which can easily by updated.

And I think you will find ver 1.1 disks play fine on 1.0 players. So there is no need for anyone to buy a new player. Since I won't be playing those games they put on movie releases for 5 year olds, I won't have need of java anyway.