Universal no longer hd-dvd exclusive.

kmufc77 said:
i cannot be bothered lol:rolleyes: read what i have wrote you will still have to buy a new player that does exactly the same things as the old player execpt the new player will be able to download firmware thats nice of sony to make you buy a new player just to play the same movies becasue they didnt include a ethernet port on older models think of the money sony will get from exisitng owners having to buy new player thats really fair isnt it
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then read what i have wrote, because i just told you the cheapest of all blurays players for the longest time was...the ps3, which is already bang up to date with bluray 2.0 / bdlive content.

its pretty obvious who the fanboy is because throughout your rant the only name you keep mentioning is sony. sony, sony, sony. we all knew when we bought our bluray players that the spec wasnt finalized. we knew the ps3 may not have had a bluray 2.0 update at all, so it surprised us when it did. did it stop us buying films? nope, there werent any bdlive content films out anyway. will it stop people with players that arent upgradeable from buying films? hell no it wont, the main feature will still play fine as has been said.

you can rant all you like but at least some of us are trying to be neutral about all this.
 
Energize said:
No, I'm intelligent enough not to buy something before the specifications have been finalised, the prices are reasonable, and it has become the mainstream format. If I was rich enough to afford it then maybe I would.
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thats a personal choice. i wouldnt put it down to intelligence. you didnt buy either, i bought both and enjoyed them immensely. neither of us lost out.
 
Energize said:
No need to be childish here.



No, I'm intelligent enough not to buy something before the specifications have been finalised, the prices are reasonable, and it has become the mainstream format.



Lol. The players aren't even £300. And I will be buying an £80 blu-ray drive for my pc, which can easily by updated.

And I think you will find ver 1.1 disks play fine on 1.0 players. So there is no need for anyone to buy a new player. Since I won't be playing those games they put on movie releases for 5 year olds, I won't have need of java anyway. :p
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no child sat in front of this screen just seems silly to spend £20 ish on a blue ray disk that is 1..1 or 2.0 whatever its is and not be able to view all the special features which correct me if im wrong make up all the other content on the disk so you will have gigs of unviewable content for some ppl
 
oh thats fair enough. as with anything new, you buy in early and take your chances. when i bought the ps3 i knw there was a good chance it wouldnt support the new content that was supposed to be coming to bluray, but i really didnt care. i still dont honestly. when you mention HD you immediately think "awesome sound, awesome picture". you dont start thinking abotu picture in picture menus and java games lol i own a hd-dvd player as well, and for any dual format release, id also pick the one with the best picture and sound. bonus features have never come in to it.
 
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james.miller said:
then read what i have wrote, because i just told you the cheapest of all blurays players for the longest time was...the ps3, which is already bang up to date with bluray 2.0 / bdlive content.

its pretty obvious who the fanboy is because throughout your rant the only name you keep mentioning is sony. sony, sony, sony. we all knew when we bought our bluray players that the spec wasnt finalized. we knew the ps3 may not have had a bluray 2.0 update at all, so it surprised us when it did. did it stop us buying films? nope, there werent any bdlive content films out anyway. will it stop people with players that arent upgradeable from buying films? hell no it wont, the main feature will still play fine as has been said.

you can rant all you like but at least some of us are trying to be neutral about all this.
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if you read in eariler posts you will see that i said i will be buying a blue ray player if needed in the future which it looks like i will im just pointing out all the disavantages in my opion
 
Energize said:
You will be able to view all video content on the disk regardless of spec.
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Should I wait for Profile 1.1 or 2.0?

Profile 1.1 players certainly don't make older Profile 1.0 players obsolete. While movie enthusiasts lust over special features and commentary tracks, many people are completely uninterested in investing even more time in a movie. If you already have a Profile 1.0 player, it should be able to play all the new Profile 1.1 discs without a problem--you just won't be access to some of the special features. On the other hand, if you don't have a Blu-ray player yet and you have any interest in special features, there's no reason not to look at the newly released Panasonic DMP-BD30 or wait for new Profile 1.1 players from other manufacturers. The same logic applies to Profile 2.0--you don't need to wait unless you want to be able to access the Internet-enabled features on the new discs. If you're still nervous about your Blu-ray player becoming obsolete, the best bet is to go with a PlayStation 3, which already has Internet connectivity and will likely be Profile 1.1 compliant.

http://crave.cnet.com/8301-1_105-9808376-1.html
 
"Some of the special features", that isn't referring to audio tracks and extra footage, rather games and interactive content. There are many 1.0 movies with multi language tracks on the disk.
 
Surely these "standalone players" could be updated via a update from disc?.. Making the lack of ethernet port less of a issue? Im not saying they would put updates onto the movies etc.. but the companys could easy enough release a update disc that you could have sent to you?..

or am i being daft?
 
ZG002 said:
Surely these "standalone players" could be updated via a update from disc?.. Making the lack of ethernet port less of a issue? Im not saying they would put updates onto the movies etc.. but the companys could easy enough release a update disc that you could have sent to you?..

or am i being daft?
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No mate, you're not being daft, I've been wondering the same thing since I started reading this thread.

All this talk of players without ethernet being obsolete because they can't have a firmware update is pure rubbish.

I've updated the firmware on my Pioneer DivX DVD player many times, making it more compatible, and adding SACD support. It doesn't have ethernet. I burned the new firmware to a CD-RW, flashed it, job done.

Why does Kmufc keep arguing that players will not support 1.1 or whatever, just because of a lack of Ethernet?

Furthermore, as has been mentioned, the PS3 takes care of all that anyway, is a bloody good player, and is great value for money, plus of course, does a lot more than just play movies too! Apart from anything else, even if you watch an SD-DVD on it, it's the best upscaler I've seen!

But no, enough of this "players will become obsolete" rubbish, simply because of lack of ethernet. How do you know they won't allow firmware updates via disk, like DVD players do?

V1N.

EDIT: Furthermore, if the worst came to the worst, and future disks had slight problems with older players, this wouldn't be any different to DVD players when they first came out. I bought a DVD player in 1998, and when films like The Matrix came out, with their extra fancy features, the old DVD players (mine, and a friends £500 player) couldn't play all the special features, and some of the menus didn't work properly. Again, a problem of being an early adopter. Thing is, by the time I bought my second, more compatible DVD player, they were already a lot cheaper by then anyway. Btw. that first DVD player was a "budget" Wharfdale 750 player,if anybody remembers those,at £180, where the next cheapest one was £400. The next DVD player I got was about £50 ;)
 
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Dont quote me on this but I believe that some of the very early stand alones didnt have the required memory or some other hardware for even disc based updates to work (that was what the .1 was partly about )

I seem to recall this but maybe James can clarify if he knows anything?
 
FrankJH said:
Dont quote me on this but I believe that some of the very early stand alones didnt have the required memory or some other hardware for even disc based updates to work (that was what the .1 was partly about )

I seem to recall this but maybe James can clarify if he knows anything?
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thats right. guys bluray 2.0 is more than software, it has additional hardware requirements as well. 1gb of local storage (vs 256mb for 1.1) and an internet connection are mandatory (optional on 1.1). So no, you cant really just update them by disc im afraid. if a player doesnt have the memory requirements thats pretty much it.
 
ZG002 said:
Surely these "standalone players" could be updated via a update from disc?.. Making the lack of ethernet port less of a issue? Im not saying they would put updates onto the movies etc.. but the companys could easy enough release a update disc that you could have sent to you?..

or am i being daft?
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Not in many cases, because the difference between profile 1.0, 1.1 and 2.0 relates to more than software changes. You need a secondary decoder for a start (which many players don't have) to do the picture in picture commentary). You need to have some sort of internet connection to be compatible with 2.0, the memory requirements changed with the various profiles.

These aren't things that, if missing, can be fixed with a firmware update. They can be enabled if they are fitted but not active, but you can't make hardware if it doesn't exist.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-ray_Disc#Player_profiles
 
what confuses me is that all the tables im looking at now tell me the secondary audio and video decoders are mandatory for 1.1.....but wait, i thought 1.1 couldnt do picture in picture?

whats the story there?
 
Well then a update via ethernet aint going to work either.. so that makes the "it dont have an ethernet port" a stupid thing to moan about..

im not overly fussed.. got a ps3 for my player and if i need to upgrade in the future then so be it.
 
Interesting what it says about picture in picture support.

I recently ordered some more blurays, one of which I remember stating it had picture in picture for the directors commentary.

I think it was Shoot'em up...

Yeah, just checked the review

http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/1193/shootemup.html

I've ordered the UK release, but I guess it'll have the same feature.

I use a PS3 to playback blurays, so I assume it will be OK.
I'll look forward to trying it out.

V1N.

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The Supplements: Digging Into the Good Stuff


New Line brings 'Shoot Em Up' to Blu-ray with high definition versions of all the significant special features included on the standard DVD. The studio has even put together a PiP commentary that I'll discuss in the next section. The only pseudo-supplement that's MIA is a PC enabled bonus which allows users to watch the DVD on their computer while viewing behind-the-scenes photos as well as the original screenplay.

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HD Bonus Content: Any Exclusive Goodies in There?


As they have for each of their previous Blu-ray releases, New Line has included a "Picture-in-Picture Commentary" on 'Shoot Em Up' that's the ideal way to take a look behind the scenes.

The track itself combines interviews and video clips from the documentary and other featurettes. While it may prove to be a repetitive experience for anyone who's already dug their way through the individual features, this track marries portions of the audio and video supplements together into a more compelling whole. The only thing that might have made this a better experience would be the inclusion of new material not found elsewhere on the disc.
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