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Upgrade from 9900k to Ryzen 5900x right now for gaming or wait for Zen 3d V-cache refresh?

Discussion in 'CPUs' started by Shaz12, 18 Oct 2021.

  1. Poneros

    Soldato

    Joined: 18 Feb 2015

    Posts: 5,694

    If you think you're CPU limited then you need to know that for a fact - which means getting rid of the GPU limit, aka 720p or lower tests. If you get 60 fps minimums in that scenario then the issue isn't with the CPU.

    The reason for graphs is because that's how we separate reality from subjective experience, and more importantly it's sharable and accessible by more than one person. Otherwise everyone can have their own opinion about how this or that is fine, but it's all nebulous.

    How are >60fps mins not "playable"? That word must mean something different for you than 99% of the rest of the gaming population. Btw, I put Cyberpunk there not because I thought you said it runs fine but because I know for a fact that it does. Game is superbly optimised putting as much hardware as you give it to work - quite a rare feat in fact. My point was more as a comparison to Far Cry 6, and the trade-offs between them.

    If you want to see what a real unoptimised game looks like, watch this:
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    Bonus Round, which is which of the 4: Control, Crysis 3, Doom Eternal, The Division 2. And which one is "optimised"?
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  2. jigger

    Capodecina

    Joined: 28 May 2007

    Posts: 15,618

    Interesting and point made I think.

    Did you do this analysis yourself?
     
  3. Poneros

    Soldato

    Joined: 18 Feb 2015

    Posts: 5,694

    Yup. The horror graph was me testing a game today, rest are saved runs from other times. Capframex is a great tool for this.
     
  4. jigger

    Capodecina

    Joined: 28 May 2007

    Posts: 15,618

    Interesting. A firm I work with is looking for someone to do some analysis like this.
     
  5. Poneros

    Soldato

    Joined: 18 Feb 2015

    Posts: 5,694

    For CPU you need 5800X or better for 60 fps mins, with RT on, for off you can refer to the previous graph on my first post you replied to. What res and how high the settings, will obviously depend on your GPU. Amusingly enough some people get a bigger penalty through ultra volumetric fog & psycho SSR than the raytracing settings, they just don't realise it. Of course, you don't necessarily need a 3090, a 2060 is mighty capable too, but at the appropriate resolution.

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    "Optimised" Settings guide:

    Code:
    UPDATE: As of 1.1 the Cascaded Shadow Range has been fixed. Recommended setting is now HIGH.
    UPDATE: Volumetric Cloud Quality adds/removes the clouds in the Badlands.
    UPDATE: Subsurface scattering does work properly when Ray Tracing is enabled.
    UPDATE: In the video HIGH is selected for Level of Detail due to an editing error, but the recommendation is LOW.
    
    Best Settings Results:
    Texture Quality: HIGH
    Film Grain: OFF
    Chromatic Aberration: OFF
    Depth of Field: OFF
    Lens Flare: OFF
    Motion Blur: OFF
    Contact Shadows: ON
    Improved Facial Lighting Geometry: ON
    Anisotropy: 8x
    Local Shadow Mesh Quality: HIGH
    Local Shadow Quality: HIGH
    Cascaded Shadows Range: HIGH
    Cascaded Shadows Resolution: MED
    Distant Shadows Resolution: HIGH
    Volumetric Fog Resolution: LOW
    Volumetric Cloud Quality: OFF
    Max Dynamic Decals: OFF
    Screen Space Reflections Quality: OFF
    Subsurface Scattering Quality: HIGH
    Ambient Occlusion: LOW
    Color Precision: MED
    Mirror Quality: HIGH
    Level of Detail (LOD): LOW
    
     
  6. Poneros

    Soldato

    Joined: 18 Feb 2015

    Posts: 5,694

    When I say min, I refer to the lower ends, 0.2%, 1%, 2%, 5% etc because those are what define the experience. You could have 99.9999% flawless experience but a traversal stutter drop you below it and your min looks like it's very low but it's not like that, that's why frametime graphs are more useful and ofc why you look at 720p results for pure CPU performance. I posted the B4B video for an overall picture of PC performance not just CPU, but in his case it's more GPU bound as you can see that by following the power usage for GPU & gpu load. Nonetheless, as you can see it's perfectly playable and enjoyable.
     
  7. CAT-THE-FIFTH

    Capodecina

    Joined: 9 Nov 2009

    Posts: 21,780

    Location: Planet Earth

    In CB2077 you are mostly GPU limited at 4K with any modern dGPU once you use RT. It was the same with the original Crysis which technically was very CPU limited too,but at normal playing resolutions at launch the game was very GPU limited - it took years later when GPUs were sufficiently powerful to show this.

    Plus if we are going to play the game of needing a fast CPU for RT,the OP might as well wait a few more years. 2023 CPUs with DDR5 are going to be quicker than what we have now,and dGPUs will be even faster with more RT performance,so surely a current CPU will be considered a "bottleneck" by then? ATM,RT isn't a key feature in many games,and the reality unless you use DLSS,you are going to having more issues hitting 60FPS in RT heavy games at 4K with RT fully activated.

    Edit!!

    Another,IIRC,Intel was generally core for core faster than AMD in this game even with an RTX3090:
    https://www.tomshardware.com/uk/news/cyberpunk-2077-cpu-scaling-benchmarks

    https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/VQMj8F8on5wMsqj8qxe4X-970-80.png

    GameGPU has also done some CPU tests too:
    https://gamegpu.com/action-/-fps-/-tps/cyberpunk-2077-v-1-2-test-gpu-cpu

    https://imgur.com/a/FitgwPa

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    Once you increase settings,its hard to hit 60FPS at 4K.
     
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  8. Sean473

    Gangster

    Joined: 23 Dec 2020

    Posts: 250

    A 9900K is plenty for now - If I had one, I'd hold on till the zen 3d Vcache comes out...
     
  9. Jay85

    Sgarrista

    Joined: 22 May 2010

    Posts: 7,543

    In 2 to 3 months i will have finished it and deleted it from my library :cry:
     
  10. Sean473

    Gangster

    Joined: 23 Dec 2020

    Posts: 250

    Hahaha and here I keep buying more SSD Storage!