Upgrade to play all games maxed out settings.

What motherboard though? If I remember the P35 boards correctly, the cheapest one wasn't not an overclocker. The next one up wernt too shabby considering its price and the one after that was a pretty good overclocker.

If you buy a q6600 and can't get it over 3ghz due to a poor mobo I personally think you are wasting £80. Also any second hand q6600 is guaranteed to have been thrashed about because they were so fun to overclock.

I think OP should buy a new GPU and wait for more cash to upgrade properly. The £80 you are spending would put a 2500k at £90 upgrade, the 2500k can be had for £170. The mobo's can be had for £120 and overclock well and dd3 ram can easily be had at £35 for 4gb.

£325 to upgrade or £245 if you save the £80 now effectively.

Personaly think you will be upgrading the q6600 sooner than you want to.


Marine-RX179 said:
ehh...the OP clearly said "as cheap as possible" in the first post.
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He also said max out all games though ;). Thats like saying I want to do 0-60 in 3 seconds because I want to do track racing for as cheap as possible and you giving me a lotus exige saying well its far cheaper but it does it in 4.1 seconds. Not what I asked for.

But it's irrelevant now anyway as we have established what the OP actually wants.
 
shadow_boxer said:
Yeah seriously consider a second hand Q6600. It wouldn't be value for money buying a Core2 Quad new when for a little more you may as well invest in Sandy Bridge.

What is you existing motherboard?


  • Q6600 - £70-80 (second hand) [IF MOTHERBOARD SUPPORTS IT]


  • CPU Cooler £30

Sell you current E5200/8800GT and should get at least £50 back.
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He has a H70, thats nearly new. More than adequate for cooling.
I'd be surprised if a Gigabyte board didn't support it, with the correct BIOS.
 
If he has a E5200 then a q6600 should definitly be supported. I do wonder if really he's just better overclocking the current cpu because most games won't run 4 cores anyway so the actual performance boost isn't going to really be much.
 
8igdave said:
If he has a E5200 then a q6600 should definitly be supported. I do wonder if really he's just better overclocking the current cpu because most games won't run 4 cores anyway so the actual performance boost isn't going to really be much.
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That's a fair point.
Makes me wonder if there is a reason he hasn't overclocked his current CPU much.
 
Hmm, I'd say a lot of games are going multi threaded now. Ironic as it may be, this is partly thanks to the 360 / PS3.

GTA, SUP COM, Oblivion (I'm fairly sure) Fary Cry, Crysis, Resident Evil, and more all take advantage.

Short term, clocking his current and then grabbing a new CPU/MB/RAM could be a good option though.
 
I haven't overclocked it much because I don't think the chips all that great. I think i've had it at 3.4ghz before but it meant upping the volts a lot, tryed it on two different motherboards and it's the same result. I'll get a GTX460 and a quad to tie me over for a bit, I don't require constant 60+fps like some i'm sure this will keep me happy for now until I buy whatever tops of the range next year.
 
Vegeta said:
I haven't overclocked it much because I don't think the chips all that great. I think i've had it at 3.4ghz before but it meant upping the volts a lot, tryed it on two different motherboards and it's the same result. I'll get a GTX460 and a quad to tie me over for a bit, I don't require constant 60+fps like some i'm sure this will keep me happy for now until I buy whatever tops of the range next year.
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Then I think you may be doing something wrong or the mobo's you tryed it on are total pants and in which case buying a q6600 would be an even worse idea if you cant get it overclocked you really arn't going to see many benefits.

I was under the impression 4ghz was quite common for a E5200.

Dark_Angel said:
Hmm, I'd say a lot of games are going multi threaded now. Ironic as it may be, this is partly thanks to the 360 / PS3.

GTA, SUP COM, Oblivion (I'm fairly sure) Fary Cry, Crysis, Resident Evil, and more all take advantage.

Short term, clocking his current and then grabbing a new CPU/MB/RAM could be a good option though.
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Every time someone mentions supcom I get a little weak at the knees. :p

How many cores are the consoles running then? I can't beleive they have actually done something good for us.
 
Well I think the first motherboard I had was a Abit IP35 pro (or something like that) and it died lol. Not sure what this is currently.
 
8igdave said:
Then I think you may be doing something wrong or the mobo's you tryed it on are total pants and in which case buying a q6600 would be an even worse idea if you cant get it overclocked you really arn't going to see many benefits.

I was under the impression 4ghz was quite common for a E5200.



Every time someone mentions supcom I get a little weak at the knees. :p

How many cores are the consoles running then? I can't beleive they have actually done something good for us.
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I believe the 360 is tri core and the PS3's cell is several... but not sure how many (forgotten off the top of my head). I believe it's using a cutdown version of the proper cell CPU.

It's one reason why GTA runs awful on anything less than tri core. Though remember, we're (PC owners) running it far higher than our console owning brothers.
 
Vegeta said:
My motherboard's a G41M ES2L
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I sold an old IP35 Pro and replaced it with that very same board, I intend to get the IP35 back & swap it for the G41 board - because its rubbish! :D

Thankfully, getting the IP35 back won't be a problem - I sold it to my sister. :)
 
8igdave said:
Then I think you may be doing something wrong or the mobo's you tryed it on are total pants and in which case buying a q6600 would be an even worse idea if you cant get it overclocked you really arn't going to see many benefits.

I was under the impression 4ghz was quite common for a E5200.
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No it is'nt. 4Ghz is the exception for a E5200. Most hit between 3.4Ghz and 3.6Ghz while some can't even get past 3.2Ghz. The one i had would only manage 3.6Ghz and that took a lot of tweaking and was with high end kit. It sufficed for the dual core shootout i did though.

I would be worried that a Q6600 might only clock to 3.2Ghz or so though. In games that do not use all the cores it could end up being slower than the E5200 (newer more efficient 45nm process). Personally i would just get a new graphics card now and see how it goes. It will be a vast improvement over the 8800GT anyway.
 
Well guy's i've already bought a GTX460 so that is coming. Now i'm unsure whether to stick with my E5200 or go for the Q6600? I'm not going sandybridge just yet i'll get a new system next year i'm just happy to be tied over till then.
 
Vegeta said:
Well guy's i've already bought a GTX460 so that is coming. Now i'm unsure whether to stick with my E5200 or go for the Q6600? I'm not going sandybridge just yet i'll get a new system next year i'm just happy to be tied over till then.
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Try it with the E5200 and see if the CPU bottlenecks the card or not. It does then yes get a Q6600 if not then happy days.
 
Try with just the 460, and see if that sorts things out. That way you will know if you can save the rest of your money for a big upgrade at some point.
 
pastymuncher said:
No it is'nt. 4Ghz is the exception for a E5200. Most hit between 3.4Ghz and 3.6Ghz while some can't even get past 3.2Ghz. The one i had would only manage 3.6Ghz and that took a lot of tweaking and was with high end kit. It sufficed for the dual core shootout i did though.

I would be worried that a Q6600 might only clock to 3.2Ghz or so though. In games that do not use all the cores it could end up being slower than the E5200 (newer more efficient 45nm process). Personally i would just get a new graphics card now and see how it goes. It will be a vast improvement over the 8800GT anyway.
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4ghz- http://en.inpai.com.cn/doc/enshowcont.asp?id=3687

With more talk about others who have got to 4ghz or close, one went to 4.2ghz but with high volts - http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/251686-10-e5200-overclocked-4ghz



Huge list of people and their overclocks: http://www.overclock.net/intel-cpus/390358-e5200-overclocking-thread.html

Stable overclocks:

montpellier - 4.4Ghz - 2Hrs OCCT - 1.344V - link
auditor - 4.027Ghz - 3HRs+ ORTHOS SMALL FFT - DFI Lanparty DK P45-T2RS Plus - link
Glussier - 4.012Ghz - 2Hrs OCCT Stable - ASUS P5QL - 1.384V - link
quaaark -4.0 Ghz - 2hrs OCCT Stable - Gigabyte EP45-DS3L - link
^Son_Gokou08 - 4.0Ghz - 2hrs OCCT Stable - Abit IP35P - link
Zamoldac - 4.0Ghz - 1.424V - 2HRs OCCT - GA-P35C-DS3R
infiniteengine - 4.0Ghz - 3Hrs+ Small FFT's ORTHOS - EVGA 730i - link
wes45013 - 3.99Ghz - 3HRs+ ORTHOS Small FFT's - Gigabyte ES2L
nikos747 - 1.2V - 3.9Ghz - 2HRs+ OCCT - GIGABYTE EP31-ES3G
Devilywan88 - 1.2V - 3.9Ghz - 5 Loops IBT - Gigabyte EP45-UD3P - link
3Dreamers - 3.9Ghz - 3Hrs+ Prime95 SMALL FFT's - ASUS P5QL-E
S2KPhile - 3.864Ghz - Gigabyte EP45-DS3L - 3Hrs ORHTOS Small FFT
Grandlo - 3.833Ghz - DFI LP DK P35 - IBT - link
W4LNUT5 - 3.829Ghz - 5 Loops of IBT - Gigabyte EP35-DS3L
azlvda - 3.829 Ghz - 2Hrs+ OCCT - Gigabyte EP45-UD3R - link
spakker - 3.825Ghz - 3 Hrs+ Small FFT's - Abit IP35 Pro
spawney - 3.817Ghz - 2Hrs OCCT Stable - ASRock P43DE - link
Pizzaman - 3.813GHz Stable 2Hrs OCCT - EVGA 780i link
miloshs - 3.81Ghz - 5 runs of IBT - Asus P5Q-E
FragZero - 3.8Ghz -ASUS P5K-E - 6Hrs+ (31Hrs) Prime95 -link
Voyager - 3.8Ghz - 1.344V - 2hrs OCCT
lolhax 3.8Ghz - 1.328V - GA-G31M-ES2L - 3Hrs+ Small FFT's ORTHOS - link
Retoric - 3.784 Ghz - 2 Hour OCCT - Gigabyte X38T-DQ6
kaszachris - 3.752Ghz - 3Hrs Small FFT's ORTHOS - 1.385V - Foxconn P35A01
Lionmaster - 3.75Ghz - MSI MS-7518 - 8Hrs SMALL FFT's ORTHOS - link
Ranked - 3.7 Ghz Stable 8Hrs ORTHOS - Gigabyte P35-DS3L - 1.4V BIOS, 1.36V Idle
xEVHx - 3.68Ghz - Gigabyte EP31-DS3L - 1.328V - 6hrs+ Orhtos - link
azlvda - 3.663Ghz - 2Hrs OCCT Stable
Overclockerfx - 3.66 Ghz 3 ½ Hours Small FFT (one loop) - 1.344V - P5KC - VDroop mod
iStrive - 3.65Ghz - Gigabyte EP45-UD3P - link
Brain_stew - 3.622 Ghz - 2+ Hours of OCCT - 1.3V(load) - Gigabyte-P35-DS3L
3Dreamer - 3.6Ghz - 10 Loops IBT - ASUS P5QL-E - 1.272V
PERSPOLIS - 3.6Ghz - 1.264V - ASUS P5QL PRO - 2hrs OCCT
nutric - 3.6Ghz - Gigabyte EP35-DS4 - 3Hrs Prime95 Small FFT's - link
metal_gunjee - 3.6Ghz - 3Hrs+ ORTHOS Small FFT's - ASUS P5N-D
spakker - 3.562Ghz - 2HRs OCCT - Abit IP35-E
CoY - 3.52Ghz - 6hrs+ ORTHOS Blend - ASUS P5Q Deluxe - link
The_Rooster - 3.504GHz - 3Hrs+ ORTHOS Small FFT's - Gigabyte EP45-UD3P - link
spar - 3.504Ghz - Asus P5Q - 6Hrs+ Prime95 Blend
Devilywan88 - Stable 3Hrs+ Prime95 Small FFT's - 3.4Ghz - Gigabyte EP45-UD3P
ericeod - 3.3Ghz - Shuttle Inc FP35 - 6HRs+ ORTHOS Blend - link
lionmaster - 3.25Ghz - MS-7518 - 6hrs+ Blend ORTHOS - link
squall325 - 3.0 Ghz - 6hrs+ Prime95 - GA-G31M-S2L
bk7794 - 3.0Ghz - 6Hrs+ ORTHOS - Gigabyte EP45-UD3R
kirayamato26 - 3.0Ghz - 2Hrs+ OCCT - Gigabyte EP45-UD3L
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Personally I think he was doing something wrong or has a dodgy mobo. I think he should try to better his current overclock and keep that till he can upgrade. If not then it's likely he's looking at a 3ghz q6600.
 
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