Upgrading to a 8700k but with a dilemma

[Doogles]

What is the chance of Z390 having 8c/16t? I can wait another year but don't want to be bummed when I see it's just another 6c/12t, what would you do in my situation?

 

[Doogles]

Personally, I'd assume that Intel will release an incompatible CPU that forces a new motherboard - because that's what they seem to do now.

If I seriously wanted a lot of cores and a good upgrade path, I'd go X370, Ryzen 1800X and really good memory, since AMD have been talking up their intention to keep the AM4 socket for at least a couple of years. My current 1600X is because I'm hoping to drop an 8 core Zen+ or Zen 2 into the same board.

But if I was happy with 6 and still had my old 2500k... I would go with the 8700K today and shrug about the future.

That is what I'm thinking, I'd be happy with 6 cores no problem but after spending £600+ on the CPU/RAM/MOBO combo I'd be slightly bummed about missing out after having this system for almost 6 years. Ryzen has intrigued me and I almost jumped on it at release but wanted to wait for Coffee, thing is without a crystal ball I'll be waiting for another 2 years for that next big thing.

Look for a 3770k.

I did have a ponder but I've broken off the USB 3.0 pins on my motherboard and I don't really want to bother spending more money on my aging platform, it's not a bad option if I hadn't got the money however I feel like the next upgrade will be a big one.

Mid 2018 according to the web.

Will it be 8c/16t though? That is the question, if it is I'll probably wait.

 

[Doogles]

Intel can't afford to release the next chip as another 6c/12t with Ryzen 2 on the horizon. Right now they have the gaming crown and are matching AMD (within acceptable percentage but at a higher cost) in most multi-threaded scenarios. Another slightly faster 6c/12t from Intel would be a spectacular failure now AMD are finally competing.

So it's probably best to wait for the 9th gen Coffee/Ice Lake? I guess it would be interesting to see Ryzen+ or Ryzen 2.

 

[Doogles]

Just to make you even more tempted Ocuk has just knocked £100 off the entire Ryzen and threadripper range for a short time, some very good pricing

I was tempted to go into the MM and offer the dude £300 for his 1700 and Strix motherboard, get some RAM which I can carry over to Ice Lake and have some fun with that... So much choices, back when I got into PC gaming in 2012 it was i5 or i7 and that was it because the FX sucked with low IPC!

 

[Doogles]

From what I've seen the Z390 will come end of 2018 early 2019, Intel will probably rush is out sooner rather than later though. The way I saw it - look at all the gaming, new titles and use you can have out of it in the next 14 months moving to the 8700k now. Don't see the point in waiting. You might be flush at the end of next year and be able to swap over to the z390, who knows. Live now and not in hope of what might be.

As you are someone that owns a 8700k how are the temps? Did you delid? Also what motherboard are you running? Sorry for all the questions, I'm thinking of pairing it with a Asrock Fata1ty Z370 Gaming K6, has a code readout, dual BIOS and fairly cheap for £165.

 

[Doogles]

X99 is old and dead end along with being quad channel I don't want to have to buy 4 sticks of RAM, AM4 has been on my watch list but with the lack of clockspeeds and IPC I have thought against it, however if Ryzen +/2 can clock to 4.5ghz easily with a 10% IPC improvement I will probably get that. 8700k seems the best option but needing to delid it is something I'm not too happy about, I shouldn't have to do that to a £380 CPU that then voids it warranty.

We've also got to remember I mostly game on my system so the IPC/Clockspeed is the most important to me sadly, which is one of the reasons why I'm not to sure about waiting for Z390, it's not like I need the 8 cores yet but would be great for future proofing, think if I had a 3770k now I'd be more than happy to wait another year.

 

[Doogles]

I was able to get 4.8ghz on all cores without a delid, 5ghz is not a necessity and tbh you won't even notice the difference in games.
I keep seeing posts about ryzen doing 4.5+ having a 10% ipc increase. I'm probably going to annoy people here but I think that is very optimistic.
Buy the best you can NOW, forget about what you MAY get in the future.

*About the delid* Yeah, I spent £400 on the CPU plus another say £50ish for the delid tool and liquid metal. Getting one already done and with a 1 year warranty makes sense if you plan to delid yourself.

If I was aiming at 4.8Ghz on all cores what kind of cooling would be the least I could get away with? Would my old Cooler Master 212 do the job or would I be looking at a NH-D15 or 240/280 AIO?

 

[Doogles]

What u gonna use the pc for ?

Mostly gaming which is why for me the 8700k makes the most sense.

 

[Doogles]

Your 1070 is going to hold back the 8700k some. Anything from a 1080 (non Ti) and above is where the benefit comes in. If you are planning a GPU upgrade as well soon definitely the 8700k.

I always futureproof my CPU for at leasts 3 GPU upgrades, it's easy switching GPU as I don't need new RAM/Motherboard each time.