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US kills Iran's General Soleimani

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Malevolence, 3 Jan 2020.

  1. jsmoke

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    Not if they say it was an accident.
     
  2. Rroff

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    I'm not convinced with some previous incidents that many of these ME countries have an effective top to bottom system of monitoring of IFF, etc. and when it comes to situations when they are on alert there are gaps in their ability to check/double check.
     
  3. RoboCod

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    Some airports are dual use. I believe that one is.
     
  4. Amp34

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    The entire Middle East? You know how big an area that is and how many hubs there are in the region right? A significant proportion of flights from the UK go through those hubs.

    And the irony of the Ukranian downing a few years ago was that the rebels declared a no fly zone (because they were shooting down military planes), but the Ukranian government and ATC refused to acknowledge it, continuing to send civilian aircraft through the area.

    It’s also worth pointing out that Iran wasn’t a war zone until about a week ago, and it’s still not unless Trump decides to make it so. It’s not Iraq or Syria. That said, a plane taking off during a period of heightened standoff is rather silly, something the Iranian ATC and plane pilots should have considered (maybe they did).
     
  5. Amp34

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    And now flip that round and swap Iraqi for American and American for iraqi.

    “I remember when the Americans invaded my country, when they bombed my next door neighbours house and killed my childhood friend and his family” etc...

    Now who’s to blame?

    This action is a direct result of Trump authorizing an attack on a top Iranian general.
     
  6. Nasher

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    All of the middle east has been a war zone for over 2000 years. They just take short breaks sometimes.
     
  7. Minstadave

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    Even a US airliner leaving Iran would be half full of Iranian nationals.
     
  8. Amp34

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  9. StriderX

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    Uhuh, and what was Europe for those 2000 years?

    Recent history ignored, it wasn't dissimilar and it wouldn't be a surprise that the area with strong urban habitation (having been the main migration avenue) for thousands of years prior, that it would have more conflict simply because Europe was barely settled. These opportunistic jibes are a little boring.
     
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  10. Amp34

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    Why would the do that? The majority of people on that plane were Iranians, and Iran has problems with the US, not Canada (or Europe). Rather long leap there tbh.

    A bit like claiming the US would blow up Taiwanese aircraft to get back at Iran...
     
  11. robfosters

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    We’ve been at peace for 74 years. I wonder if the ME has ever had a peacetime of that length.
     
  12. Dis86

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    Think you forgot about the cold war. Bosnia? Ireland?
     
  13. Amp34

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    Just like Europe then?

    That and US sanctions/relations mean there have not been any US airlines operating in Iran for a long time. Same with the idea of it being full of American citizens.

    Some of the logic being posted by several in this thread suggests a major knowledge gap regarding Iran, it’s internal politics and it’s relations with other countries.

    Easier to see them as the “axis of evil”, just as some Iranian nationalists truly believe in the “great Satan” and that the US truly want to wipe them and their culture from the earth.
     
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  14. StriderX

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    And in those 74 years we've been involved there heavily, it's more than a tad opportune, certainly when at the very least we give an easy target for demagoguery to blame for their own issues.

    That said, it was likely always going to be this way due to how important oil was to everyone else. Honestly the worst thing to happen in the region was the end of the Ottoman empire, for their sake, it would have been better if they federalised instead of letting Britain and France make pointless borders.
     
  15. 200sols

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    Falklands, iraq, korea as well. We have been constantly at war abroad. Just not on our own shores.
     
  16. robfosters

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    There has been regional conflicts, but within the area of EU integration, there has been no war since 1945.
     
  17. Greebo

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    That's just modern politics. Even the White House Spokesperson has to go out every day and stand there saying white is black with a straight face....
     
  18. Nasher

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    Because we still have allies there who we get involved with.

    Europe has not had the sort of on-going, factional wars the middle east has for 100s of years. Even within Iran there are a bunch of different militias/warlords with different alliances and agendas.
     
  19. Twinz

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    Gen. Soleimani led the effort that resulted in the deaths of US personel, so we killed him.

    Humans have been killing each other for all of our existence. Like I said before, just pick a spot on the timline that suits your side.
     
  20. dowie

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    Lol get a little credit for what? After lying their asses off and not only knowing they shot it, knowing the US knows (knew very early on) they did it, then footage of the mission emerges and is shared publicly, flight tracking sites (public) show the story re: engine failure they trotted out to be a sham, the images from the crash site showing signs of missile damage and finally... someone found the end of the missile. Not sure what credit you want to give them - they lied and lied then only finally acknowledged it when it was utterly ridiculous to carry on with the farce - even ordinary Iranians subjected to so much propaganda were starting to see through the BS online.