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US Presidential Election 2020 - Trump vs Biden

Discussion in 'Speaker's Corner' started by BowdonUK, 29 Jun 2019.

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  1. thedoc46

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    Exactly, go back to the Democrat debates. The stuff she was coming out with was out there. Lets be honest, she only got in for cos she's apparently black. Except she's not even black. All the media tears of joy. Historic moment, please give me a break. Putting her as Biden's running mate, just cos of her color is racist to white people ! She's a smart talker for sure. Sweet talked the dummycrats. Unlike dribbling Joe.. Poor guy, he's not mentally fit for office. 78yrs old, stuttering his words, bloopers on every sentence. Say what you like about Trump, for sure he's not a perfect individual but he had America at heart. Not like Biden who'll sell everything off to China in bad deals to line his own pockets. Like what he did for the 8yrs as VP.. What about his son ? What are we supposed to brush that under the carpet.. The big guy getting 10%. didn't they spend 3yrs trying to impeach Trump for collusion ? Big tech and the way the media vilified Trump was disgusting. Do you know they never once showed the old boy stuttering his words. Nor did they show what was going on in Europe with the beheadings until 'after' the early voting was well underway. Actually i'd go as far to say they did absolutely EVERYTHING they could to influence the outcome of the election. From banning any tweets / news. its pretty awful to think this is the new way. Censorship of news that doesn't suit the agenda. You walk the streets of any state here and it was all Trump.. Its all strange. I hope we get to the bottom of what exactly happened. We're governed by the constitution. Not the media. If there's something dodgy that went on, then those dodgy votes need to be thrown out. Hopefully the supreme court will have the last say in matters. That's what most Americans want at the end of the day. To know their vote actually counts. Not a perverse deep state who'll do anything just to get rid of a loud mouth.
     
  2. Greebo

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    Thats the problem though. People like you see the Democrats as Commies and Harris as left as Stalin. The reality is Democrats are about where the Tories are in the UK and Harris is a liberal, certainly nothing like AOC.

    As soon as anybody slightly left of Mussolini is elected to power in the States, you all start screaming "commie"
     
  3. Werewolf

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    thedoc, you are aware that Biden has a stutter?

    As for Trump having America at heart, you tell that to the American troops he mocked, the American troops he didn't do anything to protect or even protest about when Putin put bounties on their heards, or the way that Trump threw away America's reputation for being a reliable country to make a deal with.
    The damage Trump has done to America will likely take decades to undo, as no one is going to trust them when they sign a deal, as Trump just threw out any deals he didn't like.
     
  4. Colonel_Klinck

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    What alleged fraud? That is what I was asking. Where is the evidence of this alleged fraud that stole the election, a massive fraud that moved 100s of thousands of votes. You are the one saying there is a fraud or at least going along with Trump's rhetoric that there is a massive fraud. He's doing it because he's a thin skinned narcissist and can never accept he lost. What is your excuse?

    Noticed you ignored the rest. Standard.
     
  5. C.R.A.Z.Y

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    Utter nonsense!
    Kamala has achieved more than you ever will :rolleyes:
     
  6. Greebo

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    Their votes did count. Just more people voted for Biden. Trump lost. Get over it. They will get another chance to vote in 4 years time.

    It will never get anywhere near the SC unless something more substantial comes out than the pathetic stuff filed in court cases so far.
     
  7. Dolph

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    Actually, no, it's not.

    It's a formal organisation now, and has been for a number of years.

    https://blacklivesmatter.com/about/
     
  8. Colonel_Klinck

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    Trump couldn't comprehend what is happening there. He doesn't understand empathy. This is a man who after his own brother died he proceeded to rip off his children of their inheritance. His own brother children. Tells you everything about the kind of man he is.
     
  9. cheesyboy

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    Congrats, you found one of the pockets of organisation
     
  10. Dolph

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    Harris isn't remotely a 'lefty' in any normal sense of the word.

    But language has become so debased that it rarely gets used with any form of consistency any more.
     
  11. Energize

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    Apologists for BLM and the wave of death and destruction it has ushered in seem to be trying to convince themselves it's not organised more than anyone else tbh.

    Liberal or left? She isn't Liberal in the real sense of the word, she's been pretty consistently authoritarian.
     
  12. MartinPrince

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    Citation please and who are the leaders?
     
  13. thedoc46

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    Listen he was a bigmouth, i'm not denying that. But rest assured, 90% of military, LEO are pro-Trump. Only a small loud percentage of the armed forces and Leo were against Trump. Because the media elect are going to do far more damage. Lets not forget Trump garnished a peace settlement against Israel and Palestine, something the media chose to ignore. Or diffuse a very volatile situation with North & South Korea. He came across a big mouth, but in reality was the ONLY president in recent times that didn't start a war and got peace sorted in places that needed it the most.
     
  14. D.P.

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    no accounting for how stupid Republicans are if they can't understand basic political positions
     
  15. cheesyboy

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    Military Times survey had Biden ahead with serving armed forces members:

    https://www.militarytimes.com/news/...s-poll-more-troops-say-theyll-vote-for-biden/
     
  16. jsmoke

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    Well I'm not advocating a military coup but it's obvious that's the direction it's going on. And it remains to be seen how democratic the election was.
     
  17. Sankari

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    It's absolutely not, stop deluding yourself.

    Apart from localised Republicans efforts at voter suppression, the election was entirely democratic

    Meanwhile, let's check on that voter fraud...

    'The Times Called Officials in Every State: No Evidence of Voter Fraud.'

    And what about 4chan, where Trump supporters were convinced they could win an election by posting memes on the internet? Well, let's just say libertarians might want to avoid 4chan for a while...

    '‘I ******* Hate You’: Pro-Trump 4Chan Forum Turns on Libertarians as His Re-Election Crumbles.'

    That's not a coup, and it's not going to happen.
     
  18. RatmanGB

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    What will it take to convince you that the election wasn't rigged?

    Short of Trump actually standing up and saying the election wasn't rigged and Biden beat him fair and square.

    Look, if the election WAS rigged in Biden's favour, by however many tens of thousands of votes would be necessary to do that, then that is obviously a big problem. But for me to be convinced of that Trump's side need to put up an argument backed with evidence that isn't shredded as soon as it goes before a judge, and so far they haven't done that.

    So what will it take for you to accept that Trump lost?
     
  19. HEADRAT

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    It only remains to be seen if you take Trumps word for it, I’ve yet to see any compelling evidence to show systemic/widespread fraud that would have a meaningful impact on the Biden win.
     
  20. elmarko

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    To be fair, the level of election fruad required to win an election with any consistency would be immense.

    While we can look back retrospectively and say "40k votes here and 50k here would swing two states" in reality you are talking 100,000's margins to have any hope of securing a result.

    Then factor in that once election day arrives, the people counting are split down the middle.

    Finally they would have had to know beforehand that Trump would also receive a huge increase in votes (turnout up across the board) then preemptively cheat just enough across a select few swing states.

    Then do this across multiple states, not be noticed by the Republican ran elections (where they are in power, the governor and the senator and locally) coupled with the 50% Republican counters and observers.

    I call bull****.
     
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