Caporegime
Hey media! "Shambles"
Victory!!! Pasty tax: U-turn 'a shambles' says Labour
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Name 'em, shame 'em & sack 'em
Why don't they go after Boots, Vodafone, Amazon, Tesco, RBS/Natwest, Barclays, HSBC, Lloyds/Halifax and individual tax-dodgers like Philip Green and Ashcroft?
Frankly I would very much like to see the cretins who dreamed up this stupid scheme named, shamed & sacked.
Why don't they go after Boots, Vodafone, Amazon, Tesco, RBS/Natwest, Barclays, HSBC, Lloyds/Halifax and individual tax-dodgers like Philip Green and Ashcroft?
Soldato
Simple Simon met a pieman,
Going to the fair;
Says Simple Simon to the pieman,
Let me taste your ware.
Says the pieman to Simple Simon,
Show me first your penny;
Says Simple Simon to the pieman,
Those pies are hot. I'm an undercover officer for HM Customs and Excise and you are under arrest for tax avoidance.
Going to the fair;
Says Simple Simon to the pieman,
Let me taste your ware.
Says the pieman to Simple Simon,
Show me first your penny;
Says Simple Simon to the pieman,
Those pies are hot. I'm an undercover officer for HM Customs and Excise and you are under arrest for tax avoidance.
Soldato
Frankly I would very much like to see the cretins who dreamed up this stupid scheme named, shamed & sacked.
Why don't they go after Boots, Vodafone, Amazon, Tesco, RBS/Natwest, Barclays, HSBC, Lloyds/Halifax and individual tax-dodgers like Philip Green and Ashcroft?
No one 'went after' anyone - you realise that, right? They just tried to close an anomaly in the tax code, which happened to affect X, Y, Z.
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The actual principle surrounding the tax change was based on sound logic and conistency. Why should a Fish & Chip shop pay tax and not Greggs, the problem was it was always going to be jumped on and given a silly name like the 'pasty tax' and made out to be something a lot bigger than it was.
This was actually an attempt to simplify the tax system (something most people call for) by making tax on hot food consistent.
IMO, I don't think any food should be taxed. All food IMO should be exempt due to it being neccessary for life (same goes for all clothing, housing and heating taxes).
I disagree with using tax for social engineering purposes. If you think unhealthy food shouldn't be eaten, then ban it. Taxing people highly on it doesn't really make sense (same with cigarettes) as you're kind of saying "we don't want you to have it, but if you do we'll make a lot of money out of you". Either you want people to do things or you don't.
This was actually an attempt to simplify the tax system (something most people call for) by making tax on hot food consistent.
IMO, I don't think any food should be taxed. All food IMO should be exempt due to it being neccessary for life (same goes for all clothing, housing and heating taxes).
I disagree with using tax for social engineering purposes. If you think unhealthy food shouldn't be eaten, then ban it. Taxing people highly on it doesn't really make sense (same with cigarettes) as you're kind of saying "we don't want you to have it, but if you do we'll make a lot of money out of you". Either you want people to do things or you don't.
Caporegime
Why? over eating can be done with any food and the conditions for over eaters are not just a case of what they are eating.
Why should everyone else suffer?
Also, if you are going to make **** food more expensive surely it will have a knock on effect to good food, as people making good food will want more again....
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Uhhh, yeesss, I do . . . to calrify, why don't the Government change the tax legislation so as to go after Boots, Vodafone, Amazon, Tesco, RBS/Natwest, Barclays, HSBC, Lloyds/Halifax and individual tax-dodgers like Philip Green and Ashcroft?
OK now
As it happens, there was an item on the Today program this morning (Nick Robinson?) suggesting that the campaigns against the Pasty and the Static Mobile Home (is there such a thing?) taxes were orchestrated by the Dirty Digger's Sun & the Daily Wail to "get at" the Government over the Leveson Inquiry
Soldato
That's what happens when we have a universally free health service - society has a vested interest in making sure others don't eat themselves into a massive health bill, so we accept behavioural nudging via taxation (alcohol, sweets*and sundries...).
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it was another 'poor' tax though and rightly ridiculed. you need to stop being a blue sheep. both parties have good and bad ideas and anyone that wholly rejects either party is an idiot. both parties have done good things and bad over the times (liberals have done some excellent stuff if you look back too).
you seem to say that as if the tories werent slating labour at every turn. welcome to politics (also known as childish dicks squabbling and calling names)
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Pasty going to be eaten for lunch.
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i actually have more time for people that admit mistakes than carrying on ahead regardless. it takes some guts to say 'we screwed up' although cameron does seem to be having to say it a lot...
Caporegime
Do you have any stats on the amount of alcoholics and their cost to society over the last 10 years or so? What about driving (another thing affected by "gentle" tax nudges), or smokers?
I also don't see your post as an answer to why healthy people, who lead healthy lives should be punished by this tax.
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Shame, it might have meant people would end up eating healthier food
what other options of a warm snack on a cold day do we have? fish and chips? burgers?
there arent too many healthy warm options.
some of us arent fat and dont overdo it. should we all be penalised? (im playing devil's advocate as i rarely have pastry but i will defend my rights not to be taxed for a warm snack)
This reminds me of the whole carrier thing. Conservatives thought they had a better idea (traps), turns out it wasn't, so decided to revert back to the original idea.
cue labour 'THIS IS A SHAMBLES'
As someone said earlier, I would rather a government that changes the plan according to the circumstances, than a government which doggedly sticks to a poor plan.
cue labour 'THIS IS A SHAMBLES'
As someone said earlier, I would rather a government that changes the plan according to the circumstances, than a government which doggedly sticks to a poor plan.
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Soldato
No
Increasing tobacco tax results in less smoking - that's a good example. Not sure about driving. 'Fat taxes' have also been shown to work: http://eprints.ucl.ac.uk/14931/1/14931.pdf
Nor do I, but it is one of those things. My instinct tells me that the extra money I pay for alcohol or fast food is less than the social cost (and my future tax bill) of a lower barrier to entry for those items.