(Video) The i5 is Dead...Long Live the i5?

Rroff · 11 Nov 2017 at 22:21

AndreiD said:
Given their Q3 financial report, I also don't see how Nvidia is "going to go down as a hardware firm". Their Gaming revenue alone is on par with AMD's revenue for the entire company.
Data center/automotive are growing fast, but still far from what Gaming brings in for them.

From that perspective nVidia's last financial year is kind of ridiculous - looks like they are going to close the year almost 3bn up on AMD for revenues and currently sitting at well over 10x the market cap.

EDIT:

NVIDIA Corporation 8.34bn 2.29bn 123.19bn 10.30k
Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. 4.96bn -69.00m 10.73bn 8.20k

Quite a difference there in a purely business perspective.

Phil2008 · 11 Nov 2017 at 22:24

I remember when I had a amd64 FX55 single core cpu and "Colin mcrae dirt" was the first game I noticed it was time to move on to dual core, so I upgraded to a dual core cpu, and it was like night and day with that game. But since then changing a cpu to a higher number of cores over the yrs, I haven't noticed such a performance boost going from single to dual core since. I think that game came out in sep 2007.......Anyway I dont know why I brought that up, but hey ho.

Rroff · 11 Nov 2017 at 22:30

Phil2008 said:
I remember when I had a amd64 FX55 single core cpu and "Colin mcrae dirt" was the first game I noticed it was time to move on to dual core, so I upgraded to a dual core cpu, and it was like night and day with that game. But since then changing a cpu to a higher number of cores over the yrs, I haven't noticed such a performance boost going from single to dual core since. I think that game came out in sep 2007.......Anyway I dont know why I brought that up, but hey ho.

The last time I noticed a big difference was when some games started to need quad cores or they struggled badly - or atleast there was a big difference between my highly overclocked E6600s and Q9550 machines. I've not seen anything as dramatic lately but I do notice a difference in smoothness compared to quad cores like the i5 and anything with 8 threads or 8 real cores especially when doing 120+Hz/FPS gaming.

Phil2008 · 11 Nov 2017 at 22:53

We are/maybe upgrading too soon... I felt I did that with my E8400 dual core, I upgraded to a i5 2500k and was really disappointed with the performance increase as I hardly noticed much in the gaming world.

I have just bought a i7 2600k to keep my current system going as I cant see myself getting a new pc anytime soon, because it costs you a small fortune now to upgrade cpu,memory and board then it did a few yrs back, and with minimal performance boost.......... Bring back the good old days where upgrading was a wow factor, but not anymore its not.

Rroff · 11 Nov 2017 at 22:58

Phil2008 said:
We are/maybe upgrading too soon... I felt I did that with my E8400 dual core, I upgraded to a i5 2500k and was really disappointed with the performance increase as I hardly noticed much in the gaming world.

I have just bought a i7 2600k to keep my current system going as I cant see myself getting a new pc anytime soon, because it costs you a small fortune now to upgrade cpu,memory and board then it did a few yrs back, and with minimal performance boost.......... Bring back the good old days where upgrading was a wow factor, but not anymore its not.

I got quite a lot of mileage out of my Q9550 - though it was heavily overclocked and paired with some pretty special RAM - I tested it against a 3770K build I did and at the time, partly due to the software at the time, I was quite underwhelmed for things like gaming performance - but more recently the 4820K was a decent jump from it especially with faster GPUs then available and games starting to push a few more threads.

AndreiD · 11 Nov 2017 at 23:28

I remember going from a Phenom X6 1055T to the i7 2600K feeling like a huge jump in games at that time. Before that going from an E4300 to the 1055T also felt like a nice jump in games like TF2 which I recall could use more than 2 cores.

jigger · 12 Nov 2017 at 01:07

gavinh87 said:
Intel and nvidia are going under!

Intel dominate the CPU and graphics market without even trying.

gavinh87 · 12 Nov 2017 at 01:17

jigger said:
Intel dominate the CPU and graphics market without even trying.

As Rroff posted, intel don't even need a GPU division to to dwarf AMD in terms of revenue.
Anyway, back to the title at hand. Is ryzen beating an i5 in ONE game really worth a video?
He's made an awful lot of assumptions based on ONE benchmark. As we've seen a single game patch can throw these results out of the window.
I'll be waiting for a video acknowledging that he was wrong regarding the crap he spouted with the 8400, along with certain members in here

jigger · 12 Nov 2017 at 01:21

gavinh87 said:
As Rroff posted, intel don't even need a GPU division to to dwarf AMD in terms of revenue.
Anyway, back to the title at hand. Is ryzen beating an i5 in ONE game really worth a video?
I'll be waiting for a video acknowledging that he was wrong regarding the crap he spouted with the 8400, along with certain members in here

Yeah CPU's make a lot of money don't they.

Well it's more than ONE game, but are now saying quad cores are the future again.

gavinh87 · 12 Nov 2017 at 01:28

jigger said:
Yeah CPU's make a lot of money don't they.

Well it's more than ONE game, but are now saying quad cores are the future again.

If ryzen beats the 7600k in 50% of games released in 2018 I'll give you a 1700 lol
Yes ONE game, at least the only one I'm aware of.
This guy is full of speculation and assumptions and a lot of people like yourself swallow it all up and repeat his nonsense like its gospel.

jigger · 12 Nov 2017 at 01:36

gavinh87 said:
If ryzen beats the 7600k in 50% of games released in 2018 I'll give you a 1700 lol
Yes ONE game, at least the only one I'm aware of.
This guy is full of speculation and assumptions and a lot of people like yourself swallow it all up and repeat his nonsense like its gospel.

LOL. Not even sure where to start.

AndreiD · 12 Nov 2017 at 02:08

If you go to gamegpu.com you'll find more games in which the Skylake/Kaby i5s are doing better than the 1800X/1600X than not.
I already linked a few earlier in which the 4C/4T i5s did really well: Destiny 2, NFS: Payback, CoD WWII, Wolfenstein II
That's kind of the issue with cherry picking, people will gobble that AC:O result up and think that all new games will be like that when the reality is completely different.

For being "dead" those i5s sure do give Ryzen a run for its money.

Silent_Scone · 12 Nov 2017 at 07:58

jigger said:
Well the focus group is dafter than I thought.

NVIDIA haven't really ever been a hardware firm, it's all outsourced. That said, they design very good GPUs. Better than AMDs.

Refute that with your focus group.

AndreiD · 12 Nov 2017 at 08:44

Pretty weird definition of "hardware" firm if all of the fabless semiconductor firms (overwhelming majority of the industry) are disqualified.

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 12 Nov 2017 at 09:26

So much irony and contradictions in this thread. Comedy gold continues!

Rimsy · 12 Nov 2017 at 10:27

It's kind of scary reading in a way and reminded me why the ignore feature is such a great feature! Too much stupid for my brain to deal with..

Doobedoo · 12 Nov 2017 at 10:41

It's generally the same threads and same people nothing new here.

fs123 · 12 Nov 2017 at 11:01

I didn't realise the Intel fanboyism is as bad as the Nvidia fanboyism in the graphics section. After years of stagnation forced upon us by Intel due to lack of competition I thought people will be welcoming to competition from AMD.

Chuk_Chuk · 12 Nov 2017 at 12:18

Its interesting how when ever an Adored video is posted, regardless of which forum you go to, people attack him instead of constructing a proper argument against his point.

I found this video weird with the whole prophecy angle, but i understand that he's says it mainly in jest/to get under the skin of the haters (which appears to be working). However his point regarding the switch to 4+ cores happening sooner than expected is interesting. I don't think anyone was expecting a difference in core count to matter by the end of the year. If ubisoft of all publishers has got their engines scaling up across multiple cores (reasonably well?) then i think other develops will be following pretty soon. I remember making a post earlier in the year talking about AMD sending out hundreds of developer kits to aid with developing games for zen. I wonder if this is the beginning of the fruits of their labour.

With this increase in available power, could developers pull off more interesting things with game A.I. and world complexity.

jigger · 12 Nov 2017 at 12:42

I've not seen many of his videos but the Nvidia guys do seem to hate him so he must be slightly topical.

I'll have to go check his account.