(Video) The i5 is Dead...Long Live the i5?

jigger · 13 Nov 2017 at 19:13

gavinh87 said:
Nope, I'm saying they cannot risk it. They need to ensure their CPUs will work on ALL AM4 boards.
It's not a silly point at all. If you are limited by motherboard power delivery they might aswell release a new socket.
With that in mind I'm saying 32cores on AM4 is very optimistic.

No they don't. Assuming by they you mean AMD.

gavinh87 · 13 Nov 2017 at 19:17

jigger said:
No they don't. Assuming by they you mean AMD.

Hang on, so AMD release an AM4 CPU and you are saying they do not need to ensure it works on all of their boards?
What planet are you on?

If you want to dream for a 32core AM4 CPU then go back to sleep, most people will be sceptical of this though.

In fact sod it, £200 says there will not be a 32core CPU on the current AM4 socket.

jigger · 13 Nov 2017 at 19:19

gavinh87 said:
Hang on, so AMD release an AM4 CPU and you are saying they do not need to ensure it works on all of their boards?
What planet are you on?

If you want to dream for a 32core AM4 CPU then go back to sleep, most people will be sceptical of this though.

In fact sod it, £200 says there will not be a 32core CPU on the current AM4 socket.

Yeah that's what I'm saying. Well apart from the assumption you're adding into the mix to make what you've said seem a little less daft.

gavinh87 · 13 Nov 2017 at 19:24

jigger said:
Yeah that's what I'm saying.

Then you will be disappointed. Lets see how confident you are, £200 here says 32core on the current socket wont happen.

jigger · 13 Nov 2017 at 19:39

gavinh87 said:
Then you will be disappointed. Lets see how confident you are, £200 here says 32core on the current socket wont happen.

Let see how confident you are. How about 20k Ryzen is at 32 cores before summer?

gavinh87 · 13 Nov 2017 at 19:41

jigger said:
Let see how confident you are. How about 20k Ryzen is at 32 cores before summer?

Save some of that 20k and upgrade that GPU already

jigger · 13 Nov 2017 at 19:47

gavinh87 said:
Save some of that 20k and upgrade that GPU already

Just because I could? The only overpriced hardware I'm tempted to buy is the 18 core i9 or a Ryzen 1950.

gavinh87 · 13 Nov 2017 at 19:56

jigger said:
Just because I could? The only overpriced hardware I'm tempted to buy is the 18 core i9 or a Ryzen 1950.

Yet you lurk in AM4/coffeelake threads....
I must stop feeding the trolls

Klo · 13 Nov 2017 at 19:57

Guys, stop willing waving, it's only clever glass used to play games, not really that important.

jigger · 13 Nov 2017 at 20:00

gavinh87 said:
Yet you lurk in AM4/coffeelake threads....
I must stop feeding the trolls

Maybe.

AndreiD · 13 Nov 2017 at 20:59

AM4 doesn't even have enough pins to accommodate a "32 core".
16 cores would also be very optimistic, but it might be possible.

jigger · 13 Nov 2017 at 21:04

AndreiD said:
AM4 doesn't even have enough pins to accommodate a "32 core".
16 cores would also be very optimistic, but it might be possible.

How many pins would a core need?

Doobedoo · 13 Nov 2017 at 21:15

More cores would or could come with 7nm Zen 2. More performance at a lower power draw.

Whether they decide to do that or not is yet to be seen but I'd imagine that is more of a market choice rather than a technical issue.

AndreiD · 13 Nov 2017 at 21:18

jigger said:
How many pins would a core need?

Difficult to say because AMD didn't publicly release that much info on AM4, they're very opaque in that regard. I'm mainly speculating, but 32 cores are most likely impossible on AM4, don't think 1331 pins/contacts is enough.

Doobedoo · 13 Nov 2017 at 21:19

AndreiD said:
Difficult to say because AMD didn't publicly release that much info on AM4, they're very opaque in that regard. I'm mainly speculating, but 32 cores are most likely impossible on AM4.

32 cores is very unlikely on AM4 I'd expect to see it on TR4 if anything.

jigger · 13 Nov 2017 at 21:23

AndreiD said:
Difficult to say because AMD didn't publicly release that much info on AM4, they're very opaque in that regard. I'm mainly speculating, but 32 cores are most likely impossible on AM4, don't think 1331 pins/contacts is enough.

Hmm.

AndreiD · 13 Nov 2017 at 21:29

Yeah, TR4/SP3 is their socket for many core MCMs or probably even many core monolithics if they decide to go that route later on.
If they want to bring 32 cores to mainstream they'll need an AM4+ or AM5. I'm really curious if they can actually bring 16 cores to AM4 or if they'll need an AM4+ thing, but time will tell.

They actually need to take some tips from Intel here when it comes to releasing documentation on their CPUs & Platform, their datasheets are very detailed (ex: 8th gen datasheet volume 1 and volume 2).

opethdisciple · 13 Nov 2017 at 22:29

I don't think with Ryzen 2 AMD are going to go for more cores. It wouldn't make sense yet. The ecosystem needs to catch up a bit as it is only since Ryzens launch in March/April that more than 4/8 threads was in the hands of the average consumer.

Also need to keep TR4 and AM4 distinct.

I think with Ryzen 2 it will just be IPC and clock speed improvements.

arby1 · 14 Nov 2017 at 12:16

Hmmm, I've just bought an old mobo and i7-2700K for £130 to use as a spare/second rig.
Am I clutching at straws hoping that it can still be a reasonable spare gaming rig?
I was hoping that with a decent OC the CPU could still keep up for a while now that games are actually making use of the i7?

Rroff · 14 Nov 2017 at 12:24

arby1 said:
Hmmm, I've just bought an old mobo and i7-2700K for £130 to use as a spare/second rig.
Am I clutching at straws hoping that it can still be a reasonable spare gaming rig?
I was hoping that with a decent OC the CPU could still keep up for a while now that games are actually making use of the i7?

My laptop has a 3610QM which basically performs like a desktop i7 2600K - still does fine CPU wise for gaming. Won't get the best out of like a 1080ti but for anything else it is still adequate - especially if you can get the OC up above 4GHz.