Watercooling parts: Could you guys check for me.

khearts

khearts

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Hi guys,

Here are the watercooling parts Ive been advised to buy. Could you guys check for me.
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My specs are:

cpu: q6600
mobo: asus maximus formula
Ram: 8gb ddr2 6400
graphic cards: Two 8800gts (cheaper then 1 9800gx2, dont know when the ocuk version of 9800gx2 is coming)

Zalman 1000w psu:

Case: Between, lian li v2000, Silverstone TJ07, Zalman GT1000 Z-Machine , Coolermaster RC-1000 Cosmos.

Im going for quietness over anything, and Im looking to overclock too, Im getting the sound recuding mats for the case and rubber things to help make the psu and hdd's quiter too.

Here are the watercooling parts recommended to me:

• Lian Li V2000B high quality brushed aluminium case
• XSPC R120-D (240mm) Radiator - Mounted on the top panel
• 240mm AC Ryan Radiator Grill of your choice
• Xilence Red Wing 120mm fans x 2
• D-Tek Fuzion CPU Block with Nozzle Pack installed
• XSPC Dual Eye Ball Bay Reservoir
• 10W Laing DDC Pro with Petra’s Tech top
• Custom installed 1/2" Hose with Helix coils fitted!

I cant find most these parts on overclockers.

But let me know what you guys think, Im looking for the quietest solution but also overclocking. Is there other parts I can buy which are better? I want to try to have it all on the inside, but maybe a zalman is better.

He said he can do all that for £450 plus the v2000 case.
and then another £200 to build and overclock my pc. Let me know what you guys think.

Thanks
 
khearts said:
• Lian Li V2000B high quality brushed aluminium case
• XSPC R120-D (240mm) Radiator - Mounted on the top panel
• 240mm AC Ryan Radiator Grill of your choice
• Xilence Red Wing 120mm fans x 2
• D-Tek Fuzion CPU Block with Nozzle Pack installed
• XSPC Dual Eye Ball Bay Reservoir
• 10W Laing DDC Pro with Petra’s Tech top
• Custom installed 1/2" Hose with Helix coils fitted!
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OK - the XSPC Radiator is the same as the Alphacool 240mm radiator on OcUK and it's not that great. The CPU block is fine for a quad core. There is nothing wrong with the pump but the whole thing is waaaay too expensive at £450 installed.

Thermochill PA120.3 120mm Triple Radiator £52.99
EK 8800 GT/GTS (G92) GPU Water Block £97.98
XSPC 1/2" High Flexibility PVC Tubing - 3m £8.97
Thermochill 3/8"BSP to 1/2" Barb £3.98
Laing DDC 1-T Pro 10W 12 VDC Pump £39.99
D-Tek Fuzion Universal CPU Block (AMD Socket A/754/939/AM2, Intel 478/LGA775/423/771/603/604) £35.99
D-Tek FuZion Accelerator Nozzle Kit £4.99
Swiftech MCRES-Micro Watercooling Reservoir £9.99

That's £300 Incl. VAT for a much better system that will cool the CPU and both graphics cards. A water-cooling specialist won't charge more than £30 to cut the case for you (I'd advise putting it in the bottom of a V2000B). I'd have to say your supplier sounds pricey.

khearts said:
He said he can do all that for £450 plus the v2000 case.
and then another £200 to build and overclock my pc. Let me know what you guys think.

Thanks
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£200 to build and overclock at PC? I'll do it for free.;)
 
WJA96 said:
That's £300 Incl. VAT for a much better system that will cool the CPU and both graphics cards. A water-cooling specialist won't charge more than £30 to cut the case for you (I'd advise putting it in the bottom of a V2000B). I'd have to say your supplier sounds pricey.
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You forgot to include the cost of the case! :)
 
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Thanks guys.
I might still go for two 9600 gt's, if it can play crysis on very high, which Ive heard it can (with decent fps like 35).

So is this system quiet? Does it need fans?

The reason I think this guy is expensive is because he will do the whole thing, test it, test it on crysis very high for 2 hours, overclock it, and make sure everything is running perfect. But yeh its pricey.

Cant seem to find anyone else to build, overclock and watercool a system for me, Ive asked on the boards and obviously offered to pay too.

btw WJA96 sending you an email

Thanks guys, wanna hear what others think too

Im in watford guys, if anyone is interested
 
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He said he can do all that for £450 plus the v2000 case.
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That says £450 plus the case to me.

Even if not, it's only £40 more for my system including the £30 to cut the case and my system will do the job far better, no?
 
khearts said:
Thanks guys.
I might still go for two 9600 gt's, if it can play crysis on very high, which Ive heard it can (with decent fps like 35).

So is this system quiet? Does it need fans?

The reason I think this guy is expensive is because he will do the whole thing, test it, test it on crysis very high for 2 hours, overclock it, and make sure everything is running perfect. But yeh its pricey.

Cant seem to find anyone else to build, overclock and watercool a system for me, Ive asked on the boards and obviously offered to pay too.

btw WJA96 sending you an email

Thanks guys, wanna hear what others think too

Im in watford guys, if anyone is interested
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Send me an e-mail and I'll hook you up with a specialist who'll do the case and water install for you. Then I would strongly advise you to do the build and overclock yourself. It's REALLY easy, and if you like I'll come and hold your hand (not literally, obviously).
 
marcus000 said:
Na i'm pretty sure the case is included in with the price! :)
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It's still waaay too expensive for a £25 radiator, a £55 pump/top combo and a £40 CPU block. The reservoirs are about another £25, so I reckon that's about £100 over the odds given that it will take roughly an hour tops to cut the case and fit the parts.

As for £200 to build the PC, well.... I'm an SAP consultant and I don't charge that sort of money.... 'nuff said.

[Edit]And it's actually not the best water cooling kit[/Edit]
 
WJA96 said:
I'm an SAP consultant and I don't charge that sort of money.... 'nuff said.QUOTE]

You should rethink your charge-out rates, dude! ;)

As to the OP: DO NOT GET SOMEBODY TO OVERCLOCK YOUR COMPUTER FOR YOU.

This is tantamount to having help climbing a tree: it gets you where you want to go, but if anything goes wrong, your up the creek without a paddle. And with expensive gear under the hood, you're going to be straight back on here wondering why your Quad is running at 1.6GHz instead of 3.6GHz, or why Crysis keeps crashing, etc.

Also, it would be a much better idea to install the watercooling gubbins yourself, too. Same reason.
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I's not a £20 rad, it's £35.
Add on delivery from case distro. to the guy who is offering to build it, and then add on delivery from him to the customer and it might help you understand the price more.

Also, i'd like to see you cut a case and leak test for 12 hours all in under an hour...

I ain't gonna post again as no doubt i'll end up banned from the cooling section but I actually know the guy who has quoted him the price (and yes I can assure you it isn't me), it's not an unfair price when you actually add it all up correctly instead of jumping the gun on it.
:)
 
Indeed, not a bad price considering the work involved. Less than an hours work? wahaha I wish!
 
KDU said:
Indeed, not a bad price considering the work involved. Less than an hours work? wahaha I wish!
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OK - I've just watched someone cut a V1000 for a PA120.2 using the template and tape. It took him 4 minutes to measure the location for the template, 10 minutes to fit the template in position, another 5 minutes to measure it again, then less than 1 minute to make two 114mm circular cuts and 8 5mm holes with a holesaw and drill. He then cut two further 18mm holes for top and bottom fillports. He then took 5 minutes to deburr everything. He then had a cup of tea for 15 minutes. He then fitted the barbs to the radiator and and then fitted the fans and radiator in a further 10 minutes. He then placed the pump and reservoir and drilled 2 holes to mount the pump. No holes were needed to mount the reservoir. Less than 5 minutes had it all fitted and screwed in place. He then dropped the motherboard in with the CPU block roughly attached (I did that!). He then piped everything up in 7/16ths with hot water (no clamps). We then filled the system with radclean and let it run for 30 minutes. Those 30 minutes are not chargeable as he was doing something else while it did that. He then flushed the system through with distilled and started it back up again with the test PSU.

The real time involved from start to finish was less than 60 minutes of actual labour because this guy does this for a living. He knows where he will mount the components because it's what he does for a living. He charges £50 to install a radiator, pump, reservoir and block - so that's £50 an hour. The leak testing involves leaving it running overnight, but again, he doesn't charge for that.

As for building a PC - I can build a PC in under 20 minutes. Of course, if it doesn't work first time then you could be looking at hours of fault-finding, but that happens very infrequently to most professionals, and if you have plenty of parts, then it usually just takes a few more minutes to isolate the part at fault and replace it. Generating the RMA number usually takes longer than the actual fault-diagnosis.;)

Now, I appreciate that there are a few people on here who make a few extra quid taking advantage of noobs, but seriously guys...
 
WJA96 said:
The real time involved from start to finish was less than 60 minutes of actual labour because this guy does this for a living. He knows where he will mount the components because it's what he does for a living. He charges £50 to install a radiator, pump, reservoir and block - so that's £50 an hour. The leak testing involves leaving it running overnight, but again, he doesn't charge for that.

As for building a PC - I can build a PC in under 20 minutes. Of course, if it doesn't work first time then you could be looking at hours of fault-finding, but that happens very infrequently to most professionals, and if you have plenty of parts, then it usually just takes a few more minutes to isolate the part at fault and replace it. Generating the RMA number usually takes longer than the actual fault-diagnosis.;)

Now, I appreciate that there are a few people on here who make a few extra quid taking advantage of noobs, but seriously guys...
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Agreed. Modifying a case to thise extent only takes a while first time around. I managed to do mine (when I was a complete noob) in a steel case and it took about an hour; fitting the components took another couple of hours tops because I didn't know what I was doing. That's without leak testing and all that jazz.


As to your charge-out rates, WJA: it was meant tongue-in-cheek. I've done work for internal audit project management and heard of only one embedded consultant who was on over £1m a year.
 
Its pure madness, atleast dick turpin wore a mask!!
Seriously though i build pc's for people all the time and ive never charged any one more than £20, overclocking is a sinch and and really with a little bit of knowledge a decent overclock these days is nothing more than pushing a few buttons and making sure it isnt smoking. as for a water install ive never done it but if i had it would just be another task i could do nothing speciel really, any one can do it if they do enough research.

As someone else said overclock yourself that way you atleast have a rough idea what your machine is actually doing and how it was made to do it. Once you have you will realise just why people are finding it so hard to stomach the prices you have been quoted.
 
20 quid? What the...

I absolutely loathe rebuilding my PC, done it many many times but keeping it nice and tidy inside is almost impossible now. Also it takes me about 3-4 hours if I have to redo everything... I have a ton of hardware that goes into my box. I also do it as a job but hate it.

I'd happily pay 100 for someone to build mine properly in about a weeks time. :)
 
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