Wayne Rooney

Hightpoint - Debut.

Low point - last season but 1.

Progression? meh.

he should be bigger, better, fatter stronger but he just isnt. he just walks around the pitch snarling at everyone, like a wounded animal waiting for his next victim.

On the one hand you can understand his frustration at being in a team with greats like Ronaldo, Tevez etc and then to suddenly have to put up with smellback and Carrick who couldnt assist if their lives depended on it. But no i dont think he has become the player everyone wanted/hoped for.

You can see for england every year 'wow is roozney going to set the WC/Euro's alight?!?!'. No. Never.
 
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Rooney to be sold to Chelski, City and Arsenal - you heard it here first!

Will switch at half time whenever the teams play each other. Coin toss will decide which team he plays the first half for.
 
It's true that you can put any decent player in a team that creates 20 chances a game and hel get at least 1 or 2. Rooney puts a shift in every game, he works to get in amongst the chances as well as create them. If that isn't what you want a CF to do then what is? Perhaps he isn't as technically gifted as messi or ronaldo or doesn't have the instinct of sherringham but he can still read the game well and can dictate the play when he's on form.

Anyone who says Rooney is past it needs to look at Robin Van Persie, he was useless until 2 seasons ago, when he was 27. Even David Villa didn't hit form until he was 27/28. Rooney is like 26.
 
Personally I think Fergie has ruined Rooney.

Turned himfrom a rampaging forward (not as in smashing peoples faces in, though he did do that on occassion :p) who would run at defenders and terrify them. Not afraid to take a risk and have a shot and really make a go of it. A really dynamic player who had the ability to go on to be world class...

Now he's just a poor mans Mick Quinn, and he even ate all the pies too! :p

/runs for cover.
 
I agree with newts, ferguson took a young player who was hungry for goals and not afraid of the big stage from everton, did his usual thing of playing one of his best players out of position and basically turned him into a fat CAM who occasionally pushes forward a bit
 
scwba06 said:
It's true that you can put any decent player in a team that creates 20 chances a game and hel get at least 1 or 2. Rooney puts a shift in every game, he works to get in amongst the chances as well as create them. If that isn't what you want a CF to do then what is? Perhaps he isn't as technically gifted as messi or ronaldo or doesn't have the instinct of sherringham but he can still read the game well and can dictate the play when he's on form.

Anyone who says Rooney is past it needs to look at Robin Van Persie, he was useless until 2 seasons ago, when he was 27. Even David Villa didn't hit form until he was 27/28. Rooney is like 26.
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Anyone that thinks RVP was useless till 2 seasons ago doesn't get football at all.

Not least because he's almost always had very good starts/goals ratio between injuries and Wenger dropping him for no reason. He's also chipped in with plenty of assists, what people who have fish memories forget is, 2 years ago he started playing as an out and out striker, since then he's scored 52 in 58 games I believe. Before then he started as a winger, and then continued in the Bergkamp role for a long time he played for probably 6 of 8 years at Arsenal in a role closer to Kagawa than the role he's playing now, and hence wasn't scoring as an out and out striker would.

He's been a little worse in his all around game in the past two years, his goal scoring has improved as in he's actually improved his finishing a bit but its mostly that he is getting more chances in a different role. His all around game has suffered a bit purely because its been used less, he's still an excellent playmaker, just not being used in that role at the moment. He shows far more vision, creativity, passing, crossing, creating goals for others when he plays as a withdrawn striker.
 
The problems with judging Rooney imo are as follows:

- The degree of media focus. Every mistake is exaggerated by Rooney hating fans, every goal brings a 5 minute montage of his work rate and "leadership" by the English media. Both sides seem eager to ignore the other side to his game and to over-react in general, both for and against him.
- Comparisons: Because of typically indulgent English media and because of his own moments of genuine magic, people assume he is considered or should be considered as to be almost in Messi/Ronaldo's league. The truth is he isn't. Other good players like RVP, Drogba and Silva arnt judged so harshly so why him?
- HUGE swings in performances. Unlike most players who reach the standard he has show, he consistently has spells when he looks like a pub player (whose also drunk). All players have bad spells but for me the degree of decline at times must be down to either psychical or mental issues (I suspect the former) . It needs improving to help the team and it will also stop people making such short sighted judgments on him
- His versatility/work rate or his poor discipline. He does have many sides to his game, most of which should be encouraged. But the fact is he seldom sticks to one role for the entire match. Even when played as the only striker, you will see him dropping to the midfield or even deeper. If he wasn't desperate to always be involved and instead prioritized keeping in position, he would be more involved at the business end when breaks happened and sharper too because of less fatigue.
- The Rooney at 16 factor. People look back at this fearless kid through rose tinted glasses. I would agree that his psychical self has not progressed as I would have liked. In fact its been on the decline. Tough to say why (Poor fitness/extra weight/injurys/too much football too young?). But that aside, he is a better player in every other way. Perhaps actually having defenders know and fear you plus a manager who dosn't want this senior players to be shooting from 40 yards each match has reduced his goal of the month entrys.
But that ability to score special goals has never left him. Any Youtube compilation would prove that. Lastly on the issue, for all those who feel his amazing start to football means anything other than messi level results is a failure: Consider the hype around so many others. The Theos, the Richards even the Wesley Browns (Future England captain didn't quite happen did it). The game will always have youngsters who promise the world. Compared to most he's done all right.

Personally, I find the only fair way to judge such an unusual and unpredictable player is to do so season by season. And he always is our top scorer and always scores in the big games. So that makes what title he should or shouldn't be given by others irrelevant and thats why, imo he wont be sold.

My hope is that with RVP in the team he finally sees the wisdom in focusing purely on his one role, be it the lead striker with RVP behind or the opposite.
 
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Rooney is a great player but only a mediocre forward imo.
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How can the 7th highest premiership goal scorer of all time be a mediocre forward?

Not directed at you per se, but if don't rate Wayne as one of the top strikers this league has ever seen then you are a moron.

Anyone who has a 1 in 2 average over a ten year period is pretty ******* good.

To put it into perspective, Alan Shearers strike rate is only 0.05 goals per game better.
 
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