We're standing up to sky

I think Sky are being total ***** about their marketing of this... i see billboards saying "Virgin have dropped sky channels. Switch" etc.... which is totally misguiding and not representing the fact that sky are a bunch of money grabbing *****.
 
i have been was with ntl for ages had the 10 meg and then it chnaged to virgin media nowt has changed got a phone tv and broadband for 30 quid a month.

meant to be 2 meg boadband but still getting 10 meg at the min.

phoned em up when we lost sky packages said i wasnt happy with that (even thou i never watch sky one and the other channels i lost) and they upgraded my tv to the xl package for nowt.

Then saw watchdog and read some other forums and said because i have been paying by direct debit since i joined surely that must count for something and they upgraded the phone package aswell. if you dont ask you dont get.

im happy and im staying with em at the min.
 
I'd get virgin but the cable don't stretch to belgium with leads me on to my goods and services in Europe winge.

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I was round a friend's house the other day - he has Virgin/NTL - and the on demand choice was fantastic.

Planet Earth, The Office, Trigger Happy TV, Peep Show to name but a few of my favourites... as long as they keep updating the content, it looks really good.
 
I think VM will "win" this one due to the Sky advertisers wanting reductions in their fees. Sky One has lost about 1/3 of its Lost viewers (their "flagship" show) so I doubt they'll be happy if the lawsuit does happen as we know how long these things can take.

VM have kept the majority of their customers happy through various deals and haven't lost too many for it to affect them too much long-term.
 
Why anyone would pay £500 - £600 a year for an over-inflated bunch of channels with a ridiculous amount of adverts is beyond me.

I have never had Sky or NTL / Virgin etc - and I firmly believe my life is better without it. In fact - If I add it up, I have saved myself approx £10,000 over the last 14 years - compared to my parents, who have always subscribed to Sky.

What is the big deal about it ? Why not just buy the Lost/24/BSG DVDs when they come out - then sell them again like I do ?

I've had a Sky box for 8 years now with no subscription, and I get 100+ channels all for free. Plus I have a PVR for recording (so no need to pay +£10 a month for the con of Sky+) - I watch TV for roughly 1-2 hours a week - no more.

Surely there is more to life than TV anyway. Get out and speak to people and socialise for Gods sake. There will be enough time for TV when you are 75+ and have nothing else to look forward too & no way to do the stuff you can now ;)
 
Screw Sky evil corporation, I never watch any Sky channels and if I even wanted to I would just download the XviD tvrips of all the shows they air anyway. Virgin's cable broadband is far better as you can actually max out the connection speed then the broadband Sky offer which your lucky to even get even half the speed due to the way ADSL works.

I pay £30.50 for 10mbit BB and the Basic TV package. My mum pays £22 a month just for the basic Sky TV and her Sky box freezes all the time.
 
divosuk said:
Why anyone would pay £500 - £600 a year for an over-inflated bunch of channels with a ridiculous amount of adverts is beyond me.
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Quite.

Since TV no longer shows Macgyver, it's not worth having anyway.

Oh and if you move to sky, you will be forced to sleep with Rupert Murdoch for all eternity in the after-life.
 
I'm sticking with VM, as, for no apparent reason, they are giving me 10Mb Cable, the XL TV Package, and the Free Weekends phone package for £36.99 a month.

But ssh, don't tell anyone. :p
 
Samtheman1k said:
Why should they?
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To prove that their pricing strategy and conduct about all this has been honest. They claim that everything they've done is fair, Virgin say not. Give an independant evaluator the figures and see who's been lying and who's been honest.

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Who's to say the independent evaluator would be correct? It would involve Sky releasing a large amount of confidential data to the independent valuator, something I bet they are not keen on doing. ATEOTD, Sky have said "here's our product, either buy it or not". VM chose not to.
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Not neccessarily, just the information relevant to this dispute. The price they quoted Virgin Media for a start, the reason for that price and any other figures that they feel would help shed light on the dispute. It would be Virgin Media handing over figures too, they're not afraid of doing it so why are Sky?

I agree with you that it's Sky's product but you have to ask why — if found true — they gave Virgin such an inflated asking price for the channels. If the price increase was justified fair enough, but all it seems to be is that Sky doesn't like the potential of the new kid on the block and is trying to run them out of business with underhand methods. All Virgin are doing is saying "Whoa, it's never cost that much before, why have you asked so much for it? Especially since nothing's changed.."

Put it this way, you go to buy a house, it's great, your family love it and you want to buy it. The asking price is £100,000. Ace! When you get there the owner informs you that he now wants £250,000 for it. The house hasn't changed at all, but the price has shot up. You wouldn't want to dispute that? You wouldn't want to get a surveyor in to value the house properly?
 
I'm giving serious consideration to moving from Sky to VM. I've had Sky for years and over the last three barely used it at all. Sky have done pretty well out of my inability to take action and fear of missing out on stuff.

No longer.

Figured that on what I'm paying now, moving to VM would give me Telephone + Broadband + TV for the price of Telephone + Broadband right now, so TV for free suits me fine.
 
G-MAN2004 said:
I've had Sky since it came out (Sky HD now) and I can't fault it one bit. It's perfect.
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Hmm if you've not tried other services / products then I can understand why you think it's perfect.

Sky HD is far from perfect in my eyes. I'm a devoted TiVo user and find the whole Sky+/HD alternative shocking in this day and age!

My TiVo was release in 2000 and is now no longer made, it is however superior to any of Sky's PVR/DVR offerings with regards to user interface, metadata and searchable databases.

Adding a network card to TiVo has also allowed me remote access to schedule recordings and send me e-mails of the programmes it's due to record for me, this was years before sky added this.

Sky has in my opinion sought to capitalise the pay TV market and in doing so has managed to get away with supplying poor poor software. How radically has the sky interface changed in last 5 years!

Virgin media strikes me as a company for who innovation is a key aspect. I believe that they will push technological boundaries as well as challenging these channel buy in prices.

Sky should have made a CAM for their system and allowed 3rd party hardware/software vendors to take their feeds and build better more feature rich systems.

/ends rant!

edit: PS I have Sky / Sky + and TiVo, if I had access to Cable I would seriously consider it!
 
I heard a sky advert on the radio the other day. It appears the are using Virgin not playing ball as an excuse to show more repeats. Except they call it "catch up weekend". More like "repeat weekend".
 
Get over it TBH. Virgin are being idiots about the situation and so is Sky. Screw them - everyone leave and get freeview! See how they like it.

Stupid F*-ing Company, both of them.

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Talbs13 said:
Get over it TBH. Virgin are being idiots about the situation and so is Sky. Screw them - everyone leave and get freeview! See how they like it.

Stupid F*-ing Company, both of them.

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Virgin aren't being idiots - they are being very sensible in my opinion, by not rolling over whenever Sky says so.

Personally I've hated Sky, and strongly believe they exist only to suck money from people. This can be shown by their subscription charges and 0870 numbers to their call centres - in comparison to Virgin's free 150 number, and lower prices. :cool:
 
Docaroo said:
I think Sky are being total ***** about their marketing of this... i see billboards saying "Virgin have dropped sky channels. Switch" etc.... which is totally misguiding and not representing the fact that sky are a bunch of money grabbing *****.
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The Sky Billboards I have seen ("Don't lose Lost" and "Get Jack back") state things along the lines of "Virgin Media have dropped brand new [Show]. Join Sky at sky.com/switch"

How on earth is that misleading? Those are the facts right there. That is what has happened. What I would describe as misleading is Virgin Media sending letters out to their customers making unfounded accusations about Sky "demand[ing] double the price for their basic channels," deciding to value Sky's programming themselves, making a huge deal about the amount of money it would have cost them to go through with the deal then subsequently refusing to refund the money they should be saving (but of course, they're "reinvesting" it in buying naff, age-old repeats for their "revolutionary" on-demand platform).

That letter, if you didn't realise, is propaganda. To blindly believe all of the contents then go on an extended rant about Sky based on that (as many people in this thread appear to be doing) is to be ill-informed.
 
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