what are we expecting to see ( next gen )

[strumpusplunket]

The difference for me moving from a clocked 4870 to a GTX480 has been playing games with one or two settings turned down and AA/AF on low or off completely to playing with everything turned up as high as it will go.

I am pleased that I can look forward to finally playing Metro, Cryostasis and Crysis Warhead in full eye-candy mode, and that I can anticipate new games like Deus Ex 3, Crysis 2, and so on without having any concern that I won't be able to run them fully. But, yeah, overall everything looks nicer and a few games are definitely smoother on top of that, but it's not exactly like the quantum leap I experienced when I got my 6800GT or my 9600Pro.

 

[trisp]

The next gen of video cards should be very good for heat output /voltages, games developers usally only produce graphics that the average/above average computer can handle with the exceptions of games like metro2033 or crysis but than again that it could be argued that they are badly coded thus why they require more gpu/cpu power.

The next gen will be a huge leap in technology but i dont think it will be a huge leap in performance maybe 10-20% ish which may sound big but thats aroung the difference between the gtx 480 and the gtx 580.

 

[RavenXXX2]

But BF3 is still using Frostbite 2 engine, which powers BC2, ok it will have a few more DX11 goodies tacked on, but to think you will need a 28nm Gfx card to max it out is being way over optimistic...unless you need to run it over 2 or more monitors...

Im betting as long as you stick to 1 monitor and 1080p res or less, anything from a 560/6950 upwards will be all you need.

Face it guys, nothing will fundamentily change on the Gfx front until a new gen of consoles arrive....and god knows when that will be.

BC2 was below par GFX wise for a PC game with lower res textures and naff DX11 implementation which basically is some nicer shadows. BC2 is console orientated by PC title which is not very well optimized for the PC as a result, it takes no real advantage of PC hardware. BF2 well be designed for the PC first so expect it to take real advantage of PC hardware and be better optimized to do so.

BC2 is powered by FB 1.5 which is very console influenced by design, FB 2.0 is designed first and foremost for the PC.

 

[6644kp]

new consoles are coming in 2012 or 2013.

People who build their PC's right now in 2011, well its like when people build their systems back in the day in 2004.

Next gen consoles will probably have 4 or 8 cores
4GB or 8GB of RAM
2GB or 4GB Video RAM
1TB HDD

And considering the extreme optimization console games get they will blow our PC's out of the water.

 

[413x]

That may be when I give in and go the console route tbh

Is there a chance that games like starcraft would be viable on the consoles?

I mean my last graphics chip cost as much as a console :\

 

[Skellig]

People always over-estimate how powerful the consoles in the future will be. With the advent of the Wii, I bet you that all the console manufacturers are going for a more budget route.

I definitely don't expect a inbuilt 1tb hard drive. I mean think about the money they will lose!

"You can have the 'Casual' version with a 250gb hd. Or upgrade it to the 'Gamer' with a 500gb hd. And for your 'Extreme' there's the 1tb version."

 

[chaparral]

The reason why developers don't make games that require high-end GPU's is that they are going to make less profit if they are marketing their game to a small bracket of games (lets say 25%)

Am sure crysis sold really well and you can't get much more highend then that

By May 2010 the game has sold over 3 million units (and its standalone expansion about 1.5 million units)[39] making it one of the best selling PC games of all time

 

[PCM2]

People always over-estimate how powerful the consoles in the future will be. With the advent of the Wii, I bet you that all the console manufacturers are going for a more budget route.

I definitely don't expect a inbuilt 1tb hard drive. I mean think about the money they will lose!

"You can have the 'Casual' version with a 250gb hd. Or upgrade it to the 'Gamer' with a 500gb hd. And for your 'Extreme' there's the 1tb version."

I agree. I know it's slightly over-simplified but consider the current pricing of a single high-end graphics card such as the GTX 580. Around £400. That alone is above the desired launch price for a new console so how much are they really going to be able to fit in without tipping the scales too far?

 

[Cleeecooo]

Console makers are more than happy to sell **** to the vast majority who think full HD on a crappy 50 inch is " like da best ting EVAR." sony, ms and the likes can gove rip off prices to those gullible fools.

Ofcourse not all console gamers are like that. But lets face it, 95% probs think their console will always be better than any PC. many of them are too stupid to see reason. Again, i am not including every single console person in this category.

Overall i believe consoles are really holding back development. Otherwise we'd b seeing 2560x1600 plasma/led tvs starting to come out now. (expensive but probs will get cheaper). Nintendo should really be dpminating the market by releasing really powrful gaming machines.

The japanese already have super HD tv (something like that) although it is not mainstream they are certainly taking a step in the right direction

 

[Skellig]

Console makers are more than happy to sell **** to the vast majority who think full HD on a crappy 50 inch is " like da best ting EVAR." sony, ms and the likes can gove rip off prices to those gullible fools.

Ofcourse not all console gamers are like that. But lets face it, 95% probs think their console will always be better than any PC. many of them are too stupid to see reason. Again, i am not including every single console person in this category.

Overall i believe consoles are really holding back development. Otherwise we'd b seeing 2560x1600 plasma/led tvs starting to come out now. (expensive but probs will get cheaper). Nintendo should really be dpminating the market by releasing really powrful gaming machines.

The japanese already have super HD tv (something like that) although it is not mainstream they are certainly taking a step in the right direction

Actually, it's the inhibitive cost of technology that is keeping back development.

Just look at 3D TV.

If anything, consoles have always helped encourage the uptake of tech (PS3 for Blu-ray, XBL for broadband & Nintendo DS for touch screen) Just not at the pace of the bleeding edge.

 

[Cleeecooo]

Actually, it's the inhibitive cost of technology that is keeping back development.

Just look at 3D TV.

If anything, consoles have always helped encourage the uptake of tech (PS3 for Blu-ray, XBL for broadband & Nintendo DS for touch screen) Just not at the pace of the bleeding edge.

That is true but i think we could really advance past full HD. if console makers created a hype for 2560p with 3d then it would be ery expensive but it would then get affordable in a few years. Consoles have to lead the market for others to follow but ATM they are happy to stay where they are for the huge profits.
IMO if Nintendo release a new console eg. Nintendo Puu that runs 2560p 3d and it comes with really good FPS games at launch then many gamers will want to switch to the new standards.
Fine, not all of them can afford it from launch but as i said it will get cheaper

 

[jigger]

I think the goal for Nvidia will be to get a full range of card out, and take the open uber high end slots to try and revive its "premium brand" halo.

I think ATI will want to get a stronger range in the lower end and offer more performance in the higher for the same price.

 

[buttkinz]

more fps and more heat lol, the usual.

following on from the console debate, I for one really have no interest in a faster card than what i have tbh, i can play all games at max, it overclocks more than 50% when needed and like you mentioned nothing until the console refresh will challenge graphics cards any further.

sad state of affairs really when all you get for a top of the range card is epeen
is anyone actually bothered about the 6990/595? iv heard very little talk here about the new cards, maybe a 580/6970 is already overkill?

 

[Cleeecooo]

The dual gpus wint be overkill if you are running 3 2560x1600 monitors or triple 3d monitors

 

[TNA]

Console makers are more than happy to sell **** to the vast majority who think full HD on a crappy 50 inch is " like da best ting EVAR." sony, ms and the likes can gove rip off prices to those gullible fools.

Ofcourse not all console gamers are like that. But lets face it, 95% probs think their console will always be better than any PC. many of them are too stupid to see reason. Again, i am not including every single console person in this category.

Overall i believe consoles are really holding back development. Otherwise we'd b seeing 2560x1600 plasma/led tvs starting to come out now. (expensive but probs will get cheaper). Nintendo should really be dpminating the market by releasing really powrful gaming machines.

The japanese already have super HD tv (something like that) although it is not mainstream they are certainly taking a step in the right direction

Correct me if I wrong guys, but I think consoles have little to no impact on what TV resolutions currently are. They are mainly impacted by Hollywood and TV broadcasting. I don't think we will be seeing 2560x1600 resolution on TV's ever. If anything the next step up will be something called Super/Ultra HD and will be a much higher resolution and won't be around for another 5-10 years.

Think about it logically for a second, the masses have only just about adopted Full HD screens. Asking them to shell out for an upgrade to a much higher res right now won't happen. Blue ray would never be able to store movies at the much higher res, well at least not the 50gb ones they have now won't. As for TV broadcasting, they can't even broadcast a good signal 720p to my place in London yet, let alone full hd or 2560x1600...

So yeah, what i am trying to say is, when movies and tv broadcast is ready to move the the next step up in resolution, it will be then we will be seeing them. Nothing to do with consoles

Also I think what most of you seem to be missing, or that I have at least yet not seen anyone mention is that the developers/publisher are not exactly in a massive rush to get the next gen consoles. Better graphics equal higher development costs, and god knows they cost a crap load right now. This is why we have not seen new consoles been announced yet I personally think. Also the console developers want to make more profit from the current gen before moving on.

My guess would be we won't get all the next gen consoles until fall 2012. 2013 sounds about right to me. I think they will be all Full HD games then and the consoles will be able to easily play them, unlike say most games today which are not even 720p. lol. Hopefully though they will be able to have some AA and get rid of those awful jagies. Don't understand how people play Forza 3 and are like wow look at those graphics!!! When I first had a go I was like nice game, but those jaggies just putting me right off.

I think the next gen (ie playstation 4) consoles will ride it out all the way until 2020 which is when we will be seeing the Ultra High res TV's starting to go mainstream and at which point the newer consoles (ie playstation 5) will come out.

I probably missed some things I have in my head, but I am running out of stamina here... lol. Drunken Master, care to take over/correct me?

Oh and on a separate note, I have to agree with Raven, the 40nm refresh has been a bit of a let down. Was expecting at least 20% fast speeds from them.

 

[Cleeecooo]

Realistically, super HD won't be broadcast for ages. I was mainly talking about Sky.Virgin/BT customers - mainly Virgin (fibre optics) that will get the new res. If 2560x1600 was to come out now, people lik me who have a CRT but can afford an upgrade to 50"3D may well go for a 2560p TV. I wouldn't say everyone will go out to buy one of those hi res. Look at 3D -there are very few programs but people still buy the TV's for those prices because there is a 3D hype ATM.

If Hollywood was controlling our TV's then we would probably be watching TV in the cinema widescreen format (can't remember the ratio) but we don't. the PS3 was atleast partially responsible for blu-ray hype.

As for BD not being able to hold 2560p, i think by the time this sort of thing becomes fairly widespread, we'll be getting all movies through net/cable of some sorts.

 

[413x]

its the rapid pace of tech thats holding me back from buying a new tv,

first dvd hit, it was stable for ages, now its blu ray, stable for a fair while, now its hd at higher than 1080p, 3d which is changing every month, no one can put a set amount of money down and say.. that will be good for a few years, resale tv value is poor,

with tech going this way console seems more sensible.. one out lay for years of future proofing, look at the 360.. still going and farly good. no temptation to upgrade any parts either

i would have bought a 3d plasma panny this year had it not been for the pace of development.. i think it puts a lot of people off.. development is good, but currently whats good one month can be superceeded significantly the next..

my main concern would be buying say a 3d tv hoping to last 5 years.. 3 months later a non glasses 3d tv comes out.. thats what is stopping me buying

 

[6644kp]

I think some of you underestimate the power next gen consoles will have, Nintendo has been pouring million in R&D and I doubt it just will be a Wii HD.

Recent rumors say it might be a 4 or 8 core and consoles can do a lot more with their power than PC.

The PC is like a big American car, huge engine but low BHP.
While consoles would be a Japanese or European car smaller engine but sqeezes out everybit of juice.

Plus while PC gamers gladly shell out every few 3 to 4 years £500 to £1000 on upgrading CPU, MOBO, GPU or even the whole thing. Console players expect to pay a third and last them double.

 

[bru]

anyway back on topic...i didn't realize this was the console forum...

next gen Nvidia.

obviously more performance, not quite up to currant sli standards but just shy of them as has been the trend with other process shrinks. i expect nvidia will catch up to AMD and allow three screens from a single card with their surround system upgrading to be similar to eyefinity. power requirements will remain but i expect nvidia will adopt a similar system to AMD's power containment, with heat output also remaining similar.

next gen AMD.

performance again, similar to the nvidia rising to ruffly just below currant sli standards, as for other things this is a bit tougher, the only thing that AMD don't really do that Nvidia do is the 3d side of things (yes i know that AMD can do 3d but from what Ive seen it is anything but a nice straight forward way of doing things) so i expect some cleaner method of 3d from AMD. eyefinity will evolve and maybe opencl will actually start being used to counter the whole physx thing even though that is out of AMD's hands.

 

[Vindaloo2]

I really hope so...the last few years it has really been bugging me that we spend hundreds of pounds on high-end hardware to play poorly optimized or "last gen" DX9 games.

DX10 was a complete anti-climax apart from Crysis, and DX11 titles seem to be very slow in materializing...again due to games being developed primarily for consoles.

I dont want to spend a couple of grand every 2-3 years on a high spec machine to run benchmarks and 3D Mark.

I really hope that the next batch of games coming up for release such as Battlefield 3, Max Payne 3, Brink, Deus Ex and so on help me to justify what I spend keeping my PC in the "high-end" bracket!!!

Also to clarify....I have nothing against consoles, I understand why they exist and why they are so popular...I just personally don't like gaming on them

Well said !