What can I upgrade? My overclockers pc

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Hi,

Roughly 3-4 years ago I bought a full setup and built my first PC from overclockers. Currently it's getting a bit slow and can't meet recommended requirements. I was looking for some advice whether to look to invest and buy a completely new device (which I would like to avoid) or I could upgrade parts of my current setup. I just don't know/understand if newer GPUs/CPUs or whatever I need to upgrade are compatible with motherboard and what not.

AMD Ryzen 5 Six Core 2600 3.90GHz (Socket AM4) Processor - Retail
CP-3AF-AM
1
£124.99
Team Group Vulcan T-Force 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4 PC4-24000C16 3000MHz Dual Channel Kit - Grey (TLGD416G30
MY-087-TG
1
£83.29
Bitfenix Formula Series 550W 80 Plus Gold Power Supply
CA-22Y-BX
1
£55.79
Cooler Master MasterFan 120mm Fan - Black
FG-02K-CM
2
£8.32
Gigabyte UD Pro 256GB SSD 2.5" SATA 6Gbps Toshiba 3D NAND Solid State Drive
HD-001-GI
1
£41.66

MSI B450-A MORTAR PRO MAX AMD SOCKET AM4 MOTHERBOARD
FG-02K-CM
£68.99

WD 1TB Blue 7200rpm 64MB Cache Internal Hard Drive (WD10EZEX)
FG-02K-CM

Total was roughly 700-800 with few extra pieces. Sorry forgot how to link items. Any help much appreciated.
 
Hi,

Roughly 3-4 years ago I bought a full setup and built my first PC from overclockers. Currently it's getting a bit slow and can't meet recommended requirements. I was looking for some advice whether to look to invest and buy a completely new device (which I would like to avoid) or I could upgrade parts of my current setup. I just don't know/understand if newer GPUs/CPUs or whatever I need to upgrade are compatible with motherboard and what not.

AMD Ryzen 5 Six Core 2600 3.90GHz (Socket AM4) Processor - Retail
CP-3AF-AM
1
£124.99
Team Group Vulcan T-Force 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4 PC4-24000C16 3000MHz Dual Channel Kit - Grey (TLGD416G30
MY-087-TG
1
£83.29
Bitfenix Formula Series 550W 80 Plus Gold Power Supply
CA-22Y-BX
1
£55.79
Cooler Master MasterFan 120mm Fan - Black
FG-02K-CM
2
£8.32
Gigabyte UD Pro 256GB SSD 2.5" SATA 6Gbps Toshiba 3D NAND Solid State Drive
HD-001-GI
1
£41.66

MSI B450-A MORTAR PRO MAX AMD SOCKET AM4 MOTHERBOARD
FG-02K-CM
£68.99

WD 1TB Blue 7200rpm 64MB Cache Internal Hard Drive (WD10EZEX)
FG-02K-CM

Total was roughly 700-800 with few extra pieces. Sorry forgot how to link items. Any help much appreciated.

New GPU and maybe a new PSU (AMD 6600 would be a nice upgrade).

You could just upgrade the BIOS and get an AMD 3600 but I don't think your current CPU is that bad.

Have you filled your current SSD? That also might slow the system down as SSDs performance drop off as they fill up.
 
There's no way PCI-e 3.0 will bottleneck a 6600XT. Also, that card runs at x8 on the bus.

There's no modern card that's bottle-necked by PCi-e 3.0. Stop talking about raw specs as though they are facts.

AMD Radeon RX 6600 XT PCI-Express Scaling - Borderlands 3 | TechPowerUp
The card will only run at PCIe 3.0 X8 which is equivalent to PCIe 2.0 X16 bandwidth.

This effect becomes more prounanced when a game has higher CPU bottleneck so at 1080p you would need a ryzen 5000 CPU else your going to miss out on quite a bit of performance.

Also with the AIB pricing I'd be looking to get an FE card which at £369 for the 3060ti FE and £469 for the 3070FE are not only cheaper but offer substantially more performance and better features.
 
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The card will only run at PCIe 3.0 X8 which is equivalent to PCIe 2.0 X16 bandwidth.
You didn't go to the link that I posted, did you?

You'll drop a some frames in some games at PCI-e 2.0 8X and makes almost no difference in the majority of games.

Now run that same GPU at PCI-e 2.0 16X and I doubt you'll see any noticeable drop what so ever.
 
The problem with the 6600 and 6600XT is they only run a PCIe 4.0 x8 and since the B450 is only PCIe 3.0 it would mean the cards are gimped as they would only run PCIe 3.0 x8
Didnt realise that so had to read some reviews, Tech powerup shows pcie scaling on a 6600xt and even 3.0 x 8 you only loose a few fps compared to 4.o x 8. Some games did take a bigger hit then others.

Quote.

On average, at 1080p Full HD, we measured a 2% performance drop going from PCIe 4.0 x8 to PCIe 3.0 x8 (half the bandwidth). Halving the bandwidth yet again cost a total of 7% performance, and running at the ancient PCI-Express 1.1 interface resulted in a 17% loss of FPS.

Full article.


https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-radeon-rx-6600-xt-pci-express-scaling/28.html
 
Didnt realise that so had to read some reviews, Tech powerup shows pcie scaling on a 6600xt and even 3.0 x 8 you only loose a few fps compared to 4.o x 8. Some games did take a bigger hit then others.

Quote.

On average, at 1080p Full HD, we measured a 2% performance drop going from PCIe 4.0 x8 to PCIe 3.0 x8 (half the bandwidth). Halving the bandwidth yet again cost a total of 7% performance, and running at the ancient PCI-Express 1.1 interface resulted in a 17% loss of FPS.

Full article.


https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-radeon-rx-6600-xt-pci-express-scaling/28.html
It's a loss I wouldn't want especially when overpaying for the card anyway.
 
Didnt realise that so had to read some reviews, Tech powerup shows pcie scaling on a 6600xt and even 3.0 x 8 you only loose a few fps compared to 4.o x 8. Some games did take a bigger hit then others.

Quote.

On average, at 1080p Full HD, we measured a 2% performance drop going from PCIe 4.0 x8 to PCIe 3.0 x8 (half the bandwidth). Halving the bandwidth yet again cost a total of 7% performance, and running at the ancient PCI-Express 1.1 interface resulted in a 17% loss of FPS.

Full article.


https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-radeon-rx-6600-xt-pci-express-scaling/28.html

Tested with smart access memory?
 
I’ve run tests myself, but a pretty big difference apparently. Puts the RX 6900 XTXH a long way a ahead of the RTX 3090.
Hwunboxed found SAM gives an average of 3% extra performance in the 36 games they tested while Nvidia R-bar was around 2% so not exactly game changing stuff.
 
Hwunboxed found SAM gives an average of 3% extra performance in the 36 games they tested while Nvidia R-bar was around 2% so not exactly game changing stuff.

I’ve seen well over 10% Nvidia BAR isn’t the same as SAM. I think you’re confusing the two.
 
I’ve seen well over 10% Nvidia BAR isn’t the same as SAM. I think you’re confusing the two.
RE-bar and SAM are exactly the same thing it's just that AMD implemented it first and called their implementation SAM, it does work slightly better on AMD cards but that's just down to the driver level implementation.
 
RE-bar and SAM are exactly the same thing it's just that AMD implemented it first and called their implementation SAM, it does work slightly better on AMD cards but that's just down to the driver level implementation.

They’re not the same. Not even close to the same. Read up on Infinity Fabric Bus and Hypertransport.
 
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