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But Lumen is raytracing, is it not? (albeit a hybrid software/hardware implementation and clearly lower ray-count and therefore quality than RTX/DXR)
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What do gamers actually think about Ray-Tracing?
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i said same back then, , i doubt theres many who would disagree with him i think ive only switched RT on once to see and test, i rather have smooth running game rather than my fps tanking. after 40 plus yrs of gaming, call me old fashioned but raster all the way
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HUB and every other tech channel contradict themselves more than Donald Chump.
HUB claim RT is worthless and 80% of gamers agree with us… yet all of their GPU reviews state AMD need to seriously undercut Nvidia by unrealistic levels… because of RT. How about supporting your own narrative Steve? Instead ask why pay 25% more for RT if 80% of you think it sucks anyway?
Here we are 8 years later and RT for mainstream (£400) is no closer. This is because Nvidia keep delivering less GPU for more money and changing the narrative with their latest TLA (Two Letter Abbreviation).
RT is the future
No, we mean PT is the future
Wait, wait… we mean FG is the future
No… AI is the future (DLSS5 AI slop at least got rightly ridiculed)
AMD are barely any better with their constant playing catch-up on improving their feature set and gaming compatibility. Not to mention their dick move on locking out FSR4 on 6000 and 7000 series GPUs. The problem is AMD are so far behind in market share that they have to wait to see what the latest Nvidia narrative is before they can react. AMD don’t innovate anymore, they imitate.
So no, RT is not all it was sold to be, but it’s not a scam. It’s how Nvidia keep convincing people their latest pointless features are worth a significant premium that is the scam. And sorry to break it to you Steve, but you have fallen for it as well.
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This is clearly not the case right now since we have been paying more for less. A 6800/6900 XT and 3080/3090s are still viable GPUs at 1440p. Even a 5700 XT can deliver 60 FPS raster at 1080p high (not always max) settings in the majority of games.
Point being my 4080 is considered 3 gens old now and is still viable. A 3080 is now 4 generations old and can still do 1440p gaming with RT.
You mean 3 generations surely? As there has only been 40 and 50 series since.
No, Nvidia introduced the 4000 Super series and like it or not it’s still sold at full price and delivered similar performance uplift the 5000 series delivered at mainstream x070and x070 Ti levels (~10%)
So if the pathetic 5000 series counts as a generation, so does the 4000 super series. See my rant above about Nvidia’s “pay more for less” scam
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Good news they are manufacturing the 3060 again!
Yeah its a weird one this one.
Right now the 9070 XT Starts at £630. That's too expensive for what it is, it should be £100 cheaper than that and maybe if the RAM thing wasn't as it is it would be, before the RAM thing i have seen them as low as £560.
The 5070 Ti Starts at £800, there is no excuse for that, why is a ##70 class card £800? Even before the RAM thing they were £750+.
They need to start telling people to buy AMD's GPU instead of Nvidia, which is the one thing i think they could never bring themselves to do, no matter what, and that's the problem and they need to keep justifying that. They are part of the problem.
Yes, You're right,
its just not what fans of RTX would call Ray Tracing, if its not cutting your framerates in half its not Ray Tracing, that is the measure, right? 
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Sign of the times!
I watched the first half of this before I got bored. I was just a whinge that RT impacted the performance of the high-fps fast-paced games he plays too much.
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This observation is spot on.
Now that even the die-hards have seen slow rollout of the App (replaced geforce experience) with its constant buggy behaviour including the drivers, considering the pedestal they have with massive resources - its been a staggered fumble. Most of the blame will be on AI priority but lets face it the software stack is their wheelhouse. For me its taken them too long to address this which would have gone great for them had they been on top of this 6 months after the blackwell launch.
But you will still see apologists for both Nvidia and AMD defending this crap.
AMD are indeed a lot closer to Nvidia on RT and features in modern titles and way ahead on driver stability. The problem is it was because Nvidia scammed gamers so much on such pathetic progress (and driver regression), so AMD caught up by default.
Like I predicted, we are in the rapture folks, #RTXon!
Yeah, it was just a personal moan. It did see the irony of him saying 80% of gamers don’t like RT, yet also claiming AMD need to be substantially cheaper because their RT is worse.
Everything from 2000 series is mostly just a way for planned obsolescence and marketing as raster was plateauing.
Raster increase is getting smaller while the software stack marketing is wow its 6x faster than previous in cherry picked bs benchmark as new card has 6x FG while old has only 1x FG.
Ray tracing - Buy newest gen as its greatly improved every gen, but requires new cores we cannot backport to older models.
DLSS - Buy newest gen as its greatly improved every gen, but requires new cores we cannot easily backport to older models without massive overhead.
FG - Buy newest gen as its greatly improved every gen but requires new cores and we cannot backport to older models.
Raster increase is getting smaller while the software stack marketing is wow its 6x faster than previous in cherry picked bs benchmark as new card has 6x FG while old has only 1x FG.
Ray tracing - Buy newest gen as its greatly improved every gen, but requires new cores we cannot backport to older models.
DLSS - Buy newest gen as its greatly improved every gen, but requires new cores we cannot easily backport to older models without massive overhead.
FG - Buy newest gen as its greatly improved every gen but requires new cores and we cannot backport to older models.