# What do you make of these power graphs?

#### MeEsH BaKkA

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My car RR'd today what do you think of these graphs, something not right??

#### Lumeycom

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somethings not right...

Torque and power should cross at 5252rpm (mathmatical constant) - Yours doesn't, looks to do so about 4100rpm. Suggests to me that the RR is not set up properly.

Also runs out of puff fairly early - is the car stock?

#### Leeum

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Was the result what you hoped? I'm assuming it's modified - what has been done to the car?

#### Matt82

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the torque plot looks annoying

#### Matmulder

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Torque and power should cross at 5252rpm (mathmatical constant)

I thought it depended on the car?

And whats going on with the torque curve? Surely it should "peak" and hold, not drop off suddenly like that?

#### Lumeycom

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(Torque X RPM) / 5252 = Horsepower

Its one of those things that just is - remember that rolling roads measure torque and calculate horsepower. 1 horsepower = 550ft/lbs PER SECOND and that basic formula is extrapolated from it after some jiggery pokery thats far too boring to go into.

As for the torque drop off its either a smallish turbo, weak actuator or poor boost control. Or actually, poor boost control is there as the torque line is a bit all over the shop.

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#### MeEsH BaKkA

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The car has a remap and precat removal pipe (down pipe) stock power is 240bhp, I know this isnt a vaux forum im just after a second opinion on the graphs without tuners fighting over what could be the reasons.

#### MeEsH BaKkA

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The turbo isnt big im thinking as it is a tweaked Bluefin map mabey the car is boosting too much hence the 300lbft and low bhp

#### kaiowas

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somethings not right...

Torque and power should cross at 5252rpm (mathmatical constant) - Yours doesn't, looks to do so about 4100rpm. Suggests to me that the RR is not set up properly.

Also runs out of puff fairly early - is the car stock?

They're plotted on completely different axes, you can make them cross wherever you want under those circumstances,

#### Lumeycom

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I think that maybe your problem then, your simply running outside (and increasingly so as the RPM's increase) the turbo's efficiency zone in the turbo map.

You also have boost control issues for sure, whether its a weak actuator or a poorly setup boost controller. Even if the turbo is running out of puff and being a hairdryer the torque curve should be alot smoother than it is. Its possible also that there are holes in the map that cause fuelling issues leading to less boost in the load zones.

Assuming they are back to back runs would point to boost control issues as the initial torque spike as the turbo comes on song differ quite alot.

Did you get an AFR graph with it? if so you can rule out fuelling issues

Was it checked for det whilst running too? it could be pulling back the timing and readvancing it with signals from the knock sensor.

edit - if its a variable vane turbo then i know naff all about them aside from voodoo magic happening inside

#### Lumeycom

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They're plotted on completely different axes, you can make them cross wherever you want under those circumstances,

Fair point, missed that :E

#### Jonnycoupe

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That is a car having an asthma attack.

#### MeEsH BaKkA

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No AFR or boost tests it was just a power run, the boost peaks 100rpm later/earlier in one and the big peak is overboost I know that much just the rest of it looks like the side of a mountain.

#### Lumeycom

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Difficult to diagnose without afr/boost graphs and someone checking det did not occur but I'm gonna go with small turbo running out of its efficiency.

Or as Jonny says, car asthma

edit - just a thought.... you have a decent airfilter on it yes? as in not some crappy ebay jobbie. Just thinking that a restriction intake side could cause it too.

#### MeEsH BaKkA

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hmm I think I will remove the map to be safe, could the actuator be set too weak? the general advise on the vxr forum is slacken it off once the precat is removed and allow the ecu to dealwith theboost although this sounds crazy.

#### BigglesPiP

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Are the dots the samples?

I think the line plotting function is in a bit of a funky mood if this is the case.

#### Lumeycom

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hmm I think I will remove the map to be safe, could the actuator be set too weak? the general advise on the vxr forum is slacken it off once the precat is removed and allow the ecu to dealwith theboost although this sounds crazy.

Sounds odd, but I'm not familiar with your car - more of an old school engine type with vems/megasquirt affairs Learnt the hard way mostly lol

Are the dots the samples?

I think the line plotting function is in a bit of a funky mood if this is the case.

Dastek dynos constant sample iirc

#### Lumeycom

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^^ My last torque graph before i sold it, top end drop was it wanting a little more lift on the inlet cam

#### MeEsH BaKkA

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I wish mine looked like that ^^

I have spoke to thuner whos map I have and they are blaming Plugs (prob never changed didnt think of this) or the AMM but say there map is fine but then of course they would. Looks like it could be time to spend some money on a decent live map.

#### Dr Who

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somethings not right...

Torque and power should cross at 5252rpm (mathmatical constant) - Yours doesn't, looks to do so about 4100rpm. Suggests to me that the RR is not set up properly.

Also runs out of puff fairly early - is the car stock?

They cross exactly at 5250, try looking at the scales maybe?

The power comes in nice an early, like a sledgehammer, then drops off fast (overboost valve opening? or maybe some wheelspin on the rollers?) After that, its a steady drop off, almost like the turbo just isnt big enough?

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