What do you think of the 4070Ti?

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1612826779907149830

The results so far after 755 votes:

$499 36.8%
$599 49.4%
$699 13.8%

Looks like it needs at least a $200~$300 price cut at least,and Nvidia still will be increasing the prices.

Also,trying to excuse make that "poor Nvidia" can't make any money is a load of nonsense. Tech companies can make higher margins over a couple of years than Big Pharma and IIRC even energy companies. The latter gets vilified all the time. Just shows how much marketing indoctrination has happened to PCMR,and its turning into a Cult.

PCMR and Gamers in general,seem to be amongst the weakest consumers out there. They are very gullible to marketing and FOMO and it seems very easy to get them to pay beyond the odds for things.

None of these companies can expect their customers to act like Socialists to prop up their margins,especially since companies like Nvidia get massive tax breaks:

These 91 companies paid no federal taxes in 2018

A new report from think tank says some of the biggest companies in the country had effective tax rates of 0% or less in 2018.

www.cnbc.com

Also in the US energy prices haven't risen like in Europe,because they have plenty of their own nuclear power and LNG,and still burn coal.

Most electronics products are also made in Asian countries like China and Japan,who are still importing fossil fuels from Russia at lowish prices.

One of the reasons why European energy prices are skyrocketing is because Europe imported a lot of oil,gas and coal from Russia,and lots of fertiliser for agriculture. The sanctions meant we had to find more expensive alternatives in a market where there is limited capacity. Even the US still imports fertiliser from Russia!

 

[brostradamus]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1612860770622083090

yeah the strange thing is its nvidia/amd exploiting consumer greediness.. and its ironic that the consumers are accusing them of being greedy
if someone got a 3080+ card... do they really need to upgrade?
and the problem is that the discussion in this thread is also driving away people for whom the upgrade would have made sense by clouding their judgment

 

[Bill Turnip]

I think that considering everything is way more expensive than it used to be 2 years ago, the price is okayish. It should be about a 100€ cheaper, but 100€ extra for a product you buy every 2 to 4 years is fine. My electricity bill has increased 100 euros per month, so it doesn't bother me that much that the 70ti is a little bit overpriced since I don't have to pay that monthly like I do with everything else that is overpriced right now.

Personally I would never pay 800 to 900€ for basically a middle of the pack card, that's why I went for the 4090, but if people have about 800 to spend, then the 4070ti is the best card they can get right now - and it's not a total ripoff like it's competitor.

Can't agree with the "It should be 100€ cheaper, but it's OK as you don't buy them often" part, but if that's your view, that's your view. Happy to be paying something that is overpriced because everything is overpriced doesn't make sense to me, because if everything is overpriced...well, nothing is.

I agree that I'd also not pay 800-900 euros for a middle card, but for 800 I don't see any major improvement in my money on the previous generation, which stops me from seeing it as a good card. There is still better value in spending less and going second hand for the previous generation in my view. A 3090 or 6900XT (which was available new at £649 not so long ago, so it would be warrantied and not even second hand) would be a better bet.

 

[Bencher]

Happy to be paying something that is overpriced because everything is overpriced doesn't make sense to me, because if everything is overpriced...well, nothing is.

What I meant is, saying that the 4070ti is overpriced because the 3070ti was cheaper is kinda meaningless in todays economy, since almost everything has almost doubled in price in the last 2 years - so it would be silly to expect gpus to not follow the trend of everything else

 

[Darujhistan]

What I meant is, saying that the 4070ti is overpriced because the 3070ti was cheaper is kinda meaningless in todays economy, since almost everything has almost doubled in price in the last 2 years - so it would be silly to expect gpus to not follow the trend of everything else

So what about the massive increases with Turing 4 years ago? was that also "kinda meaningless"?

 

[Bencher]

So what about the massive increases with Turing 4 years ago? was that also "kinda meaningless"?

I skipped it, turing was garbage

 

[ICDP]

What I meant is, saying that the 4070ti is overpriced because the 3070ti was cheaper is kinda meaningless in todays economy, since almost everything has almost doubled in price in the last 2 years - so it would be silly to expect gpus to not follow the trend of everything else

This is more nonsense because only a few PC components have "almost doubled" in price. Monitors are about the same price, CPUs the same price, RAM (DDR4) is a lot cheaper, SSD/NVMe drives are cheaper. Only GPUs, PSUs have increased a lot and the new AM5 boards are a joke. So no, not "almost everything" has "almost doubled" in price.

Your problem is you keep spouting nonsensical claims that do not stand up to scrutiny and are easily debunked. Had you said "I think the 4070Ti is overall a better GPU than a 7900 XT", nobody would have called you out on it. Yet here you are making an asinine claim that "almost everything" has "almost doubled" in price. Yet a fews seconds on OCUK and other retailers web sites show that claim to be false.

Did you look up those words I posted earlier? Hyperbole, or exaggeration, or misrepresentation

I would also advise you to look up irrational, illogical, asinine and ridiculous

 

[Purgatory]

I skipped it, turing was garbage

4000 series is even worse by that logic then.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

This is more nonsense because only a few PC components have "almost doubled" in price.Monitors are about the same price, CPUs the same price, RAM (DDR4) is a lot cheaper, SSD/NVMe drives are cheaper. Only GPUs, PSUs have increased a lot and the new AM5 boards are a joke. So no, not "almost everything" has "almost doubled" in price.

Your problem is you keep spouting nonsensical claims that do not stand up to scrutiny and are easily debunked. Had you said "I think the 4070Ti is overall a better GPU than a 7900 XT", nobody would have called you out on it. Yet here you are making an asinine claim that "almost everything" has "almost doubled" in price. Yet a fews seconds on OCUK and other retailers web sites show that claim to be false.

Did you look up those words I posted earlier? Hyperbole, or exaggeration, or misrepresentation

I would also advise you to look up irrational, illogical, asinine and ridiculous

I also explained in my previous post why the severe problems in Europe WRT to energy costs are not as bad elsewhere,and these are the places where most electronics are made in!

But the remember when Nvidia jacked up prices with the Kepler Titan being twice the price of the GTX580,we had a convenient "leak" of a Nvidia slide saying TSMC 28NM was "very expensive" and people believed it. Just like people believe Apple.

 

[Bencher]

This is more nonsense because only a few PC components have "almost doubled" in price. Monitors are about the same price, CPUs the same price, RAM (DDR4) is a lot cheaper, SSD/NVMe drives are cheaper. Only GPUs, PSUs have increased a lot and the new AM5 boards are a joke. So no, not "almost everything" has "almost doubled" in price.

Your problem is you keep spouting nonsensical claims that do not stand up to scrutiny and are easily debunked. Had you said "I think the 4070Ti is overall a better GPU than a 7900 XT", nobody would have called you out on it. Yet here you are making an asinine claim that "almost everything" has "almost doubled" in price. Yet a fews seconds on OCUK and other retailers web sites show that claim to be false.

Did you look up those words I posted earlier? Hyperbole, or exaggeration, or misrepresentation

I would also advise you to look up irrational, illogical, asinine and ridiculous

Ill skip the personal attacks cause they are childish.

Most stuff nowadays are more expensive than they were 2 years ago. I never specifically mentioned PC components, so wtf are you even on about? But sure, wanna talk about PC components? Those are up as well. Mobos are up, and it's not only the AM5 boards, z690 / z790 and even the old am4 had seen increases. CPUs are also up, last year the 12600k was at around 270€ by this point in time, yet the 13600k is still at around or even over 350.

Why would I say "i think the 4070ti is overall a better GPU"? It's not what I think, it's what it is. Similar raster per $, way better RT, way more features, lower power consumption and no shaenanigans with multimonitors or playback power draw while also costing less! Those are all FACTS, not my opinion, and they make the 4070ti a way better card

 

[Bencher]

4000 series is even worse by that logic then.

By what logic?

 

[Purgatory]

By what logic?

So what about the massive increases with Turing 4 years ago? was that also "kinda meaningless"?

I skipped it, turing was garbage

4000 series is even worse by that logic then.

Easier to follow now?

 

[Inked1]

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[ICDP]

I also explained in my previous post why the severe problems in Europe WRT to energy costs are not as bad elsewhere,and these are the places where most electronics are made in!

I literally just looked at a receipt dated Dec 2020 for a 5600X CPU, 16GB RAM, Asus TUF X570 MB, 512GB NVMe and AIO CPU Cooler. The total price was just under £800 and I can build the same spec PC for £600 today. Or I can upgrade to 32GB DDR 4 and a 5800X and a 1TB SSD for the same price I paid 2 years ago.

Yet our resident hyperbolist would have us believe I should be paying almost double that price.

 

[Darujhistan]

I skipped it, turing was garbage

What's that got to do with the exponential price increase of Turing? you said current increases were "meaningless" so what explains the Turing gen increases?

 

[TerrierHTFC]

The guy is a troll high on drugs, why pay the thing any attention. Just a shill waiting under the bridge.
(Maybe it is Rich from DF?)

Getting absolutely slated in the comments for their latest piece

DF Direct Weekly: is next-gen GPU pricing out of control?

Why are the latest GPUs so expensive? Digital Foundry has some thoughts.

www.eurogamer.net

 

[Bencher]

I literally just looked at a receipt dated Dec 2020 for a 5600X CPU, 16GB RAM, Asus TUF X570 MB, 512GB NVMe and AIO CPU Cooler. The total price was just under £800 and I can build the same spec PC for £600 today. Or I can upgrade to 32GB DDR 4 and a 5800X and a 1TB SSD for the same price I paid 2 years ago.

Yet our resident hyperbolist would have us believe I should be paying almost double that price.

You can build a 7600x PC with 600 pounds today? Aokay

 

[Locky]

So no new gpu at all then? Welcome to these prices going forward. RTX 4080 near sold out again.

Nice try. It's in stock in most places and most retailers are buying in LOW amounts as they are not selling. Trust me I know this..

 

[Bill Turnip]

You can build a 7600x PC with 600 pounds today? Aokay

That isn't what he said...

 

[Bencher]

What's that got to do with the exponential price increase of Turing? you said current increases were "meaningless" so what explains the Turing gen increases?

They are meaningless because almost everything is way more expensive than it was 2 years ago. That wasnt the case with turing, so I don't understand what point you are trying to make.