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With OLEDs that shouldn't be such a problem. Don't have so much to keep 'together' and I imagine we will see all sorts of interesting OLED designs.
What is the future of monitors?
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With OLEDs that shouldn't be such a problem. Don't have so much to keep 'together' and I imagine we will see all sorts of interesting OLED designs.
Soldato
these look interesting, well except the price lol
http://www.crvd.com/overview.php
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For gaming, its got to be 3D glasses with no monitor!
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would never get that. if you look at the gallery you can see how thick it is
PCM2,
In your opinion, are we likley to start seeing 120hz IPS (or PLS) panels soon? I know you said in a Feb article you didn't think so due to input lag being too high, even if response times on some models were now good enough. Since then some IPS panels have appeared with input lag times verging on those of the BenQ XL2410T (best case atm) .... namely the Hazro WC. Has this changed your view and do you know of any plans for 120hz?
I have an XL2410T and love the smoothness of 120hz ... but dislike the colour reporduction and lack of resolution. I'm tempted to try the glassless Hazro, but if 120hz screens are likely to turn up before the end of the year, I won't bother.
What became of the 1080p LG 120hz IPS panel?
In your opinion, are we likley to start seeing 120hz IPS (or PLS) panels soon? I know you said in a Feb article you didn't think so due to input lag being too high, even if response times on some models were now good enough. Since then some IPS panels have appeared with input lag times verging on those of the BenQ XL2410T (best case atm) .... namely the Hazro WC. Has this changed your view and do you know of any plans for 120hz?
I have an XL2410T and love the smoothness of 120hz ... but dislike the colour reporduction and lack of resolution. I'm tempted to try the glassless Hazro, but if 120hz screens are likely to turn up before the end of the year, I won't bother.
What became of the 1080p LG 120hz IPS panel?
I don't get it why people get so exited about super thin screens.
At some point it simply doesn't make much difference.
To put it into perspective imagine 1mm thin screen. Make it 10 times thinner.
Does it matter at this stage? Maybe it does for a freak who doesn't want to look at it from the front.
I think that there are far more important areas of development for displays at this stage like energy efficiency and recyclebility.
At some point it simply doesn't make much difference.
To put it into perspective imagine 1mm thin screen. Make it 10 times thinner.
Does it matter at this stage? Maybe it does for a freak who doesn't want to look at it from the front.
I think that there are far more important areas of development for displays at this stage like energy efficiency and recyclebility.
Soldato
Are you referring to this article? It refers to response times not input lag. Input lag is not an inherent problem with the technology and was not the barrier that article refers to. The LG 120Hz IPS panel as in the E2770V? That turned out to be a TN panel (I believe) and used frame interpolation like every other so-called 120Hz IPS monitor released or announced to date.
Do remember that this article refers to 'current technology' and I would never say never - just nothing on the horizon.
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I'd like to see a screen that is flexible and can change size.
On the desk it could be 32", then collapse to the size of a phone to carry with you. The screen would also have a computer built in and full wireless options including wireless power.
I won't hold my breath.
On the desk it could be 32", then collapse to the size of a phone to carry with you. The screen would also have a computer built in and full wireless options including wireless power.
I won't hold my breath.
With access to privileged info about LCD roadmaps etc, we can say that the next 5 years will see a rise in high efficiency displays and a push towards 16:9. The market is not influenced by consumer 'wants' as much as it is by connectivity, film and games standards. The film industry is slowly beginning to adopt HD-SDI even though 3G SDI is available. The simplicity of the product [essentially a gpu fixed to a board] means graphics card vendors are always quick to adopt the latest inputs even if the market isn't ready [think Displayport which still isn't needed as DL DVI and HDMI 1.3 are more than capable of carrying the latest video/gaming standards - another reason for this early adoption is to avoid Royalty Fees [HDMI, HDCP etc.]. Native filming in 3D is a long long way away so 3D won't become the 'norm' as many predict.
OLED displays will certainly feature well and you will see gadgets such as touch type 'projected' LED displays [transparent displays as seen in Avatar - however, these will be exactly that: gadgets and not mass consumer products]. Whilst the EMEA/North American/Oceania markets are considered 'drivers' in technology, lets not forget consumers in regions such as Asia/Africa for whom vendors will have to continually develop products [CRTs were only phased out in 2009]. Based on the above:
- All in one computers with voice recognition and touch interface
- High efficiency backlights/OLED with pixel pitch always >0.22mm
- Royalty-free connectivity with bandwidth capable of accepting 10bit signal
- Focus on price as opposed to design and aesthetics
Just our thoughts.
OLED displays will certainly feature well and you will see gadgets such as touch type 'projected' LED displays [transparent displays as seen in Avatar - however, these will be exactly that: gadgets and not mass consumer products]. Whilst the EMEA/North American/Oceania markets are considered 'drivers' in technology, lets not forget consumers in regions such as Asia/Africa for whom vendors will have to continually develop products [CRTs were only phased out in 2009]. Based on the above:
- All in one computers with voice recognition and touch interface
- High efficiency backlights/OLED with pixel pitch always >0.22mm
- Royalty-free connectivity with bandwidth capable of accepting 10bit signal
- Focus on price as opposed to design and aesthetics
Just our thoughts.
Soldato
Are you referring to this article? It refers to response times not input lag. Input lag is not an inherent problem with the technology and was not the barrier that article refers to. The LG 120Hz IPS panel as in the E2770V? That turned out to be a TN panel (I believe) and used frame interpolation like every other so-called 120Hz IPS monitor released or announced to date.
Balls on both fronts. Yeah, evidently the '120hz IPS' was just marketing double-speak on LG's part. The Samsung PLS monitors claim 5ms GTG ... what's required in either GTG / ISO response time for proper 120hz to work?
P.S. I couldn't care less about 3D ... just like the smoothness that 120hz gives and that seemingly it further reduces eyestrain (for me) on top of a matte coating for the screen.
Soldato
That is covered in the article. And what is claimed under artifical testing conditions and the spread of values that are achieved in actuality are two very different things (stressed, again, in the article). The reason I 'never say never' is that the article is referring to the current state of IPS technology. Given the way it has developed and other recent developments and investments (OLED monitors, for example) it just doesn't seem that these hurdles are going to be overcome any time soon. PLS may well be a better candidate for 120Hz technology but this hasn't been marketted and tested yet so it's too early to say.
Well, LG announced they will be developing a full HD 240Hz LED IPS panel [350nit, 8ms(M), 72%, 1000:1] for monitor use - Mass production is likely towards the end of the year. A 23" full HD shutter glass 172Hz panel is in MP but its TN - not IPS.
Availability of panels doesn't always mean they'll end up in monitor form. OEMs have to gauge how easy/difficult it will be to modify controllers [think WU6 panel aka 24" Apple LED which flopped due to difficulty in integration - new DP interface was too buggy]. PVAs have come along way but until Samsung offers better access to their panels [and better pricing], they'll always be Samsung products [some Jap vendors have used PVA extensively e.g. Eizo/NEC/Mitsubishi etc.]. Lets not forget the Taiwanese vendors: mass consumer orientated displays use Taiwanese panels due to availability and low cost [TNs are getting better with improved viewing angles and minimal washout due to standardisation of components - i.e. same suppliers now 'supply' both Korean and Taiwanese panel makers]. 120Hz and 3D technology was around on TW panels back in 2009 so its not a bad option for those who 'must' have 120Hz.
To have it all i.e. excellent color [IPS] + brilliant contrasts [PVA] + 3D/120Hz [TN] etc. etc. is never going to happen.
OLEDs are a long way away - they'll be introduced into smaller 5:4 displays [<10"] for industrial/mobile phone use first before becoming the norm in TVs and monitors.
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Any rough idea when that could happen (year?)?
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LG+240Hz reaks of frame interpolation rather than true 120Hz+ output that will deliver what people expect (this?). That is another point raised in that article; the ability to handle a true 120Hz output doesn't necessarily mean you get the level of responsiveness you would associate with 120Hz monitors. I think some people's outlook on OLED monitors is a little scewed (understandable given the secrecy and overly optimistic projections surrounding this so far). Hazro makes a very good point that widespread adoption is unlikely in larger sizes before the smaller sizes saturate the market - plenty of mobile phones and other mobile devices still use LCD screens.
Having said that we won't necessarily see a slow creep up the market as some envisage. LG have every intention of releasing a 30" OLED TV later this year and there is no reason why this couldn't be used as an OLED monitor - if you have more money than sense possibly. Not to site pimp or anything but we do have a regularly updated article and other sitewide coverage of the latest developments and news in this field so it wouldn't hurt to have a browse if you haven't already. We had a recent article looking at recent developments ('where are we now' kind of thing) and another looking at 'solution coating technology' that DuPont is working on at the moment.
Having said that we won't necessarily see a slow creep up the market as some envisage. LG have every intention of releasing a 30" OLED TV later this year and there is no reason why this couldn't be used as an OLED monitor - if you have more money than sense possibly. Not to site pimp or anything but we do have a regularly updated article and other sitewide coverage of the latest developments and news in this field so it wouldn't hurt to have a browse if you haven't already. We had a recent article looking at recent developments ('where are we now' kind of thing) and another looking at 'solution coating technology' that DuPont is working on at the moment.
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